Villian was very aggro and has a 3bet of 20,2% after 650 hands. He was also barreling reasonably agressive, however not near as drastic as his 3bets.

With such a high 3bet, I think calling T8s and underfolding is reasonable.
Can we float this flop? It is extremely dry and most hands in his wide range will have missed. I also think it will be hard to have bluffs on later streets if we do not float hands like these with BD flush and straight draws. I think this is a rather easy float against a normal sizing, but im not sure if it's profitable when he bets 2/3. Any feedback appreciated



Same villian as before. Against someone this agressive, we can call river right?

Hand 1 looks pretty bad and even worse with the stats on him imo, I wouldn't mind seeing you play it like this in position but oop I think it's really bad.

Hand 2 I fold river.

Hand 1 I think 4 bet is fine with his high 3b %. I would say 4b>fold>call.

Hand 2 I would play the same way.

Why is it so bad? we can collect dead money by Xshoving 9 and heart turns against a likely bluffheavy range, we can bluff rivers if it gets X on turn, and we may pick up a pair and get to showdown. And I think we do need floats on a board this dry against an agressive player. Otherwise he is just going to run us over and we will be miles away from Minimum-Defense frequency. I don't want to be stubborn, but it isn't really helpful if you say 2 times that something looks bad without giving justification.

Should fold pre and flop hand1 especially if villain is barreling a lot.

Hand2 it's an easy call on the river, we need to defend around 66% of our range and we have a ton of non diamond hands.

Ask yourself this, calling 3bets oop with weak hands against aggressive opponents is it good or bad? I think that answers your question.

I called hand 2 in the BB since i'm on a site with only 3% rake, should this still be a fold with lower rake? Joined upswing a week ago and they advise flatting it

Well, villian is not only agressive, he is massively overbluffing preflop and also overbluffing to a lesser extent preflop. If someone is overbluffing, should't we fold less than usuall? Since T9s would be standart to call here against unknowns/standart opponnents, I thought this should be a call against a less capable opponnent againt whom I have a good idea how his tendencies look like.
But if 2 guys agree that folding is better, im definetly gonna take that advice. I just wanna know where we draw the line against a villian like that.

PS: That would still only answer my preflop question. But thanks for the response!

hand 2 is a call pre

Ah ok thanks, I missunderstood and thought you advocate folding in both hands.
Thanks for the feedback!

Could the first hand then be a 4bet as darchas suggested against this villian?

If he is massively overbluffing preflop and also overbluffing postflop calling oop with weak hands is bad, same with floating oop on this flop and I am sure you understand why.

If he is overbluffing preflop you should be 4betting some trash hands like T8s and some blocking hands like AXs as a bluff aswell as defending hands that can make strong draws or strong pairs.

As for postflop, I don't get into this spot so it is hard to define how to play my range of hands when I don't even have this hand in my range to begin with. I can say that floating here oop with just a gutshot to an open ended straight draw and a backdoor flushdraw is bad for the exact reason shown in this hand, you have to check fold turn a lot, and when villain checks back turn and you bluff river he will call you with at least TT-AA.

When villians range gets wider, our equity increases, even with weak hands. We can also generate more foldequity postflop. It might be that T8s is too weak(which im still not sure especially 125BB deep against this villian), but I don't really agree with your overall reasoning. If calling with weaker hands is bad, that means we only call with good hands -> villian bluffs us succesfully all the time we do not have a good hand.

"If he is overbluffing preflop you should be 4betting some trash hands like T8s and some blocking hands like AXs as a bluff aswell as defending hands that can make strong draws or strong pairs."

With balanced defaults we are doing this anyway. My point is that with such a 3betstat, we need to expand our calling- and 4betranges. if people are overbluffing, we need to underfold

And I'm sure you do get into this spot post since its basically the same like holding T9s and 98s of hearts which is in your range i would presume.

Thats very resultsoriented. And villian will have much more than TT-AA if he is 3betting 20%

Yeah whatever dude you're right perfectly played hand by you, not as if villain is barreling a lot of his bluffs OTT and you're forced to fold, it was only this hand.

If I'm being honest I know I'm right and this is poorly played. I feel as if you're just trying to argue bs when you call me saying that you're forced to fold a lot of turns results oriented, my point wasn't that you're forced to fold this specific time OTT and that's why this is bad. My point is you will be forced to fold a lot of turns, because almost all turns are bricks and overbluffing villains will barrel turn a lot.

I don't care enough about this specific hand or you as a person to actually show you why T8s is a fold, but seeing as you feel so strongly that you're right and only you know your specific ranges in this spot just break it down either with PIO or some free tool.

Well I think you should be floating your Ax stuff and using this type of hand as a x/r. This is probably one of your better x/r hands because you'll turn a lot of strong draws, and assuming you x/r QX here, you should be able to fit this hand in as a bluff. You're probably calling a bit light pre with T8s though.

I vote fold pre, fold flop, but I'm confident that call pre, call flop is the worst line you can take.

Flatting pre isn't how you fight back vs. aggressive 3-bettors. 4-bet more or open less hands or both. I'm also not saying not to open T8s.

Man I'm just trying to have a discussion and improve, isn't this the point of this forum? I did not want to come over rude, but I want to be sure of the exact reasons for changing my strategy and yours did not fully convince me, although your last reasons mentioned are valid, so thanks.

But if you don't care about my hands or me as a person just don't answer my future threads

Interesting, I did not consider having a Xraising range on a board this dry... Anyone else think this is a good idea

Thanks guys for the feedback so far! Definitely gonna start folding here