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Old 06-11-2021, 03:11 AM   #26
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Re: Nit warriors, how to proficiently outcheck your opponent

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Based on those, and the sample isn't huge, but large enough to be of some use, my guess is that villain's check and call ranges will tend to be more value heavy than average, and their betting range slightly bluff heavy than average. I'd also anticipate that they'd be slightly less likely to call a bet with a pure bluff catcher. On that basis, it may not be unreasonable to assume a bet on turn or river wouldn't get called by 50% of worse hands. It would still be a pretty exploitative line, not sure I'd take it or not, but it seems fine.
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Sounds like you got yourself into a bit of a levelling war here.

I would just bet turn 7.50/8. If you check, def bet River.
Agree. Bet turn, check river. Turn changed nothing, river is meh. I like to check river with single pairs, or call a bet if not too large.
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Old 06-11-2021, 03:19 AM   #27
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Actually, you are supposed to bet large a significant % of the time with both AK and AQ otf here. Villain has to call a number of Ax hands even vs a 75% pot bet, and even some Kxs. Additionally, villain also has to fold some 66-44 to a flop bet, so AK/AQ are in a funny spot where you can get worse hands to call, but also better hands to fold (assuming villain is actually somewhat competent)

AK/AQ does pretty much pure x ott, but there are plenty of other "bluffs" in our range that we can bet the turn with (mostly random broadway hands at a low frequency)



Yes, it is true that a decent chunk of villain's range is 87s/88/77/33/22 ott, however, villain's range also contains a number of hands that we can either continue to get value from (TT-88,55,44, and a few spade draws), or deny equity to (mainly Ax/Kx hands that called a flop bet)



Not sure where you get this idea that betting larger gives villain an opportunity to play perfectly vs us. Quite frankly, I feel very strongly that you have no clue how to perfectly play vs a 75% pot bet as CO



On this runout we're checking river if we bet big otf and ott. But there are a number of rivers where we are actually going to want to b/b/j with this hand

Small pot poker is for weaker hands, and this doesn't become a weaker hand until the river
Agree with everything here. We can't be thinking set all the time, or two pair. As stated above, we should bet turn and check river.
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Old 06-11-2021, 06:09 AM   #28
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I don't think playing a large pot with QQ on this board and runout is +ev. Smaller bets keep the initiative, keep Villain's range wide, and we still get good value with a vulnerable hand on a decent but not great board.

Getting stacked here is atrocious.
My biggest concern is that against aggressive competent villain betting turn end in getting stacked, as good villain shove over our turn barrel with sets and spade draws, just becouse we are capped to overpair. Hand was played horribly on my part not becouse i missed at least 1 street of value against weaker overpair but becouse i was against potflop nit, checked HM again, and this guy had 58% WSD not on 350 but 3600 hands, (had toggled only this month when i posted, it's extreame for nl25 reg) so vs him it's easiest turn bet fold ever, and proapbly checking river couse he unlikely bluffcatch with 99 or something
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Old 06-11-2021, 07:20 AM   #29
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This is full hand, what would you do as villain on river? I like 2 sizings, huge overbet or small blocking bet. No matter what villain do we are only calling?

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $29.85 (119 bb)
MP: $33.79 (135 bb)
CO: $34.70 (139 bb)
BU (Hero): $47.67 (191 bb)
SB: $23.87 (95 bb)
BB: $29.48 (118 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q Q
2 players fold, CO raises to $0.62, Hero 3-bets to $2, 2 players fold, CO calls $1.38

Flop: ($4.35) 3 7 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $2.80, CO calls $2.80

Turn: ($9.95) 8 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($9.95) 5 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $9.95 (Rake: $0.45)

Showdown:
BU (Hero) mucks Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

CO shows 7 7 (three of a kind, Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 91%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

CO wins $9.50

I must say that i wasnt comfortable stacking of 1 pair 140bb deep, and actully i had plan to bet more favourable river, but villain tank banking then checking make me feel like he have nuts or air, so checked... but i agree hand is played in bizarre fashion
I used to play a lot of live poker, pre-covid. For many years. I think that we shouldn't discount gut feelings and intuition - even though it is less significant in online poker. It is hard to quantify, but it is a real thing. It's ok to say, "I had a bad feeling about this hand." It turns out your intuition was correct.
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Old 06-11-2021, 09:24 AM   #30
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Re: Nit warriors, how to proficiently outcheck your opponent

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I used to play a lot of live poker, pre-covid. For many years. I think that we shouldn't discount gut feelings and intuition - even though it is less significant in online poker. It is hard to quantify, but it is a real thing. It's ok to say, "I had a bad feeling about this hand." It turns out your intuition was correct.
For live poker there might be something to be said for live reads and intuition. For online poker this is just total rubbish.
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Old 06-11-2021, 10:07 AM   #31
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Yoda: A bad felling about this, I have.

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Old 06-11-2021, 10:29 AM   #32
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1/3 pot flop

1/3-1/2 pot turn

1/2 pot river.

I'm going 3 streets with this hand, position and runout. I'm not sure why you check the turn...
Literally incorrect sizes on every street. Do you just decide to bet the value of the hand? The flop is never going to be a 1/3 pot in theory, stop using small sizings IP here just bet big. This is a clear bbj, good players will do this and get the value a lot of micro nits miss out on.
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Old 06-12-2021, 07:59 AM   #33
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not sure about the river but im for sure betting OTT
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