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at my wits end on long downswing at my wits end on long downswing

03-08-2019 , 09:14 PM
PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $197.35
UTG: $203.45
MP: $370.13
Hero (CO): $277.41
BTN: $356.34
SB: $200.00

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has Q 8

fold, fold, Hero raises to $6.00, BTN calls $6.00, fold, BB calls $4.00

Flop: ($19.00, 3 players) 9 A 8
BB checks, Hero bets $12.00, fold, BB calls $12.00

Turn: ($43.00, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets $25.50, BB calls $25.50

River: ($94.00, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets $65.00, BB calls $65.00

Hero shows Q 8 (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 39%, Flop 13%, Turn 14%)
BB shows A 9 (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 61%, Flop 87%, Turn 86%)
BB wins $220.00

line seems ok in anonymous environment. I have data showing BB pool stats XF river too much.


PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $205.45
UTG: $475.48
Hero (MP): $310.90
CO: $297.62
BTN: $274.00
SB: $139.90

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has A A

fold, Hero raises to $6.00, fold, BTN calls $6.00, fold, fold

Flop: ($15.00, 2 players) 5 6 5
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($30.00, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($30.00, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $12.00, BTN raises to $98.00, Hero raises to $297.40 and is all-in, BTN calls $162.50 and is all-in

Hero shows A A (Full House, Aces full of Fives)
(Pre 80%, Flop 87%, Turn 100%)
BTN mucks 7 7 (Full House, Sevens full of Fives)
(Pre 20%, Flop 13%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $547.00

sorry buddy



PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $214.40
Hero (BB): $199.00
UTG: $217.40
MP: $215.55
CO: $232.31
BTN: $208.09

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has K A

fold, MP raises to $6.00, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $22.00, MP calls $16.00

Flop: ($45.00, 2 players) 2 T 9
Hero bets $12.00, MP raises to $42.50, Hero calls $30.50

Turn: ($130.00, 2 players) A
Hero checks, MP bets $151.05 and is all-in, Hero calls $134.50 and is all-in

River: ($399.00, 2 players) 3

Hero shows K A (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 61%, Flop 83%, Turn 91%)
MP shows T 9 (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)
(Pre 39%, Flop 17%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins $395.00

not sure whether call or shove flop is best


PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $200.00
MP: $376.82
CO: $65.45
BTN: $205.40
Hero (SB): $385.85
BB: $219.00

Hero posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has T 8

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $5.00, Hero raises to $19.00, fold, BTN calls $14.00

Flop: ($40.00, 2 players) 4 J 2
Hero bets $12.00, BTN calls $12.00

Turn: ($64.00, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($64.00, 2 players) 2
Hero bets $46.00, BTN calls $46.00

Hero shows T 8 (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 38%, Flop 23%, Turn 14%)
BTN shows A Q (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 62%, Flop 77%, Turn 86%)
BTN wins $152.00


hmmkay
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03-08-2019 , 11:28 PM
I'm curious, do you play cash exclusively now? Did you always play some cash even back when we skyped a lot about MTT stuff?

I played a lot of HU cash when I started but cash began to bore me--that, and it will die before MTTs IMO (though 6max being solved is potentially very far off...or not. tech advancement is hard to predict)
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03-09-2019 , 02:20 AM
Just based on those hands I'd say your frequencies are out of whack a bit and you're overbluffing spots. Could just be the hands you've chosen though.
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03-09-2019 , 02:58 AM
I'd probably shove river on H1, and T8dd is an overbluff (but pop. almost certainly folds to bet,x,bet lines so could be fine)
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03-09-2019 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by angel zera
I'm curious, do you play cash exclusively now? Did you always play some cash even back when we skyped a lot about MTT stuff?
I may have been playing MTTs when we first started chatting (when I was still in college), but I played cash almost exclusively except for Sundays when I began playing full time in Jan 2016. Can't remember the timeline too well, I think you quit sometime in 2016? Think our "careers" didn't actually overlap that much.

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Originally Posted by BornToRun
Just based on those hands I'd say your frequencies are out of whack a bit and you're overbluffing spots. Could just be the hands you've chosen though.
not sure...

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Originally Posted by bbissick
I'd probably shove river on H1, and T8dd is an overbluff (but pop. almost certainly folds to bet,x,bet lines so could be fine)
yeah shove river makes sense H1.
Can you explain H4 T8dd? I thought we just bluff the lowest combos in our range here bc heart blockers aren't too relevant after turn X thru.
I don't mind a flop give up there, BTW. Cbet is marginal.
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03-09-2019 , 01:37 PM
Everything I'm about to comment comes, obviously, from a non-professional, non-cash player's mind, so I could very well not know what I'm talking about at all. Random thoughts, more than anything.

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $197.35
UTG: $203.45
MP: $370.13
Hero (CO): $277.41
BTN: $356.34
SB: $200.00

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has Q 8

fold, fold, Hero raises to $6.00, BTN calls $6.00, fold, BB calls $4.00

Flop: ($19.00, 3 players) 9 A 8
BB checks, Hero bets $12.00, fold, BB calls $12.00

Turn: ($43.00, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets $25.50, BB calls $25.50

River: ($94.00, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets $65.00, BB calls $65.00

Hero shows Q 8 (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 39%, Flop 13%, Turn 14%)
BB shows A 9 (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 61%, Flop 87%, Turn 86%)
BB wins $220.00

line seems ok in anonymous environment. I have data showing BB pool stats XF river too much.
1. Is this an open pre?
2. Given the open, aren't we OK with checking back this flop/more generally trying to take a hand like this to showdown as opposed to turning it into a 3 barrel? I suppose I'm just curious what hands we ARE doing that with if not this one--I can get behind cbetting flop w/ stuff like 22 since the "showdown value" is basically nonexistent and the board favors our range

H2 seems perfect to me

H3 is really interesting (shove vs. call his flop raise) and I'd love to hear thoughts from someone who has run the spot in PIO or is better at cash than me. I can find arguments for both approaches...

H4--a stray thought--are we mixing with 3b T8s here from SB pre? It "feels" like we're too wide pre if we're not mixing it (i.e. if we're 100% 3b)--tbh it feels too wide at any frequency, but again, I am not well versed on cash these days. I understand we need bluffs when we 3b in a spot pre, but still
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03-11-2019 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by angel zera
1. Is this an open pre?
2. Given the open, aren't we OK with checking back this flop/more generally trying to take a hand like this to showdown as opposed to turning it into a 3 barrel? I suppose I'm just curious what hands we ARE doing that with if not this one--I can get behind cbetting flop w/ stuff like 22 since the "showdown value" is basically nonexistent and the board favors our range
pre -- not sure, I open really wide in zone bc ppl fold too much, but a good reg told me rake is too high to be making some of my looser opens.
post -- yeah usually just X/deciding here, but got frisky in the moment. blocking 8x is good for triple barreling.
I would not be at all surprised if a theoretically sound strat would involve tripling some small pairs here. I guess the only issue would be we'd block V's river folds A2-A5.


Quote:
Originally Posted by angel zera
H4--a stray thought--are we mixing with 3b T8s here from SB pre? It "feels" like we're too wide pre if we're not mixing it (i.e. if we're 100% 3b)--tbh it feels too wide at any frequency, but again, I am not well versed on cash these days. I understand we need bluffs when we 3b in a spot pre, but still
its def a pretty loose 3b, I have some information that suggests this is good against the pool, but the sample may be dubious.
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04-02-2019 , 02:26 PM
does anyone know a decent desktop poker RNG app?
or what do you use? im fine paying something for one thats clean and has a good interface
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04-05-2019 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
does anyone know a decent desktop poker RNG app?
or what do you use? im fine paying something for one thats clean and has a good interface
StarsHelper is not good enough?
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04-05-2019 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by vrbik
StarsHelper is not good enough?
He's not playing on stars....
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04-05-2019 , 03:57 PM
I use random.org in a separate small sized browser window, although it's not ideal.
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04-05-2019 , 06:08 PM
I flip a coin in my head
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04-06-2019 , 12:36 AM
Many calculators have a command that generates a random number (or integer, if you prefer) with the click of a button or two. That's what I use, since I keep a calculator on the desk always to begin with
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04-07-2019 , 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomalice
thanks! this looks good

Quote:
Originally Posted by angel zera
Many calculators have a command that generates a random number (or integer, if you prefer) with the click of a button or two. That's what I use, since I keep a calculator on the desk always to begin with
that makes sense as well
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