Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 72.4 BB
SB: 152.5 BB
Hero (BB): 133 BB
UTG: 77.5 BB
MP: 303 BB
CO: 139.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 T

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) Q 7 J
Hero checks, MP bets 2.2 BB, Hero raises to 11.1 BB, MP calls 8.9 BB

Turn: (26.7 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 26.7 BB, MP raises to 53.4 BB, Hero calls 26.7 BB

River: (133.5 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 66.5 BB and is all-in, MP calls 66.5 BB

Hero shows 8 T (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 26%, Flop 11%, Turn 3%)
MP shows K T (Straight, King High)
(Pre 74%, Flop 89%, Turn 97%)
MP wins 253.2 BB
Rake paid 10.9 BB

I jammed all in on the river because I wasn't really paying attention and was just like "oh straight, that's pretty good". I don't think I mind the flop x/r as I want to try and get another card, I don't have the odds to call, and I can represent 77s, and the odd 2pair. I am not sure quite how much to be running this bluff, but I don't tend to do this often so I figured it wouldn't be bad.

OTT obviously I am leading out, although I am not sure what I am bluffing with here. Maybe some random J7 that is now behind? Maybe some odd backdoor fd that I bluffed with, or some other gutshot? Am I still betting 77s here? Maybe I should lower the bet-size as my range is probably very value-heavy? I do not see myself x/r 8s otf, so I can't see myself having many bluffs here at all.

When he then raises over the top I should now be quite vigilant that he probably has me beat a fair portion of the time. KT is probably continuing otf a fair bit, and although he could have a lot of sets and some A high fds (say AsJs, and AsTs maybe?) he is quite value heavy. I feel at these stakes he almost certainly has my straight beat.

OTR I just donk jammed all in because I had just folded like 200 hands in a row before this and was playing for 'fun', not really paying much attention. Obviously it is bad and I am just overvaluing my hand. The only hands I beat are some random flushdraws that probably don't even float otf. Even his sets now make houses and I am just lighting money on fire. I imagine that even vs a GTO bot this would be a x/f otr, yes? As a pool exploit it is most certainly. How small a bet would I be able to call here (of course assuming I should even make it to the river in this line)?

It just feels weird folding straights when you try so hard to hit them, but I think I always overvalue them and should probably look to fold them a lot more often. If someone calls down all your raises, and even shows aggression themselves, a straight probably isn't even ahead of their range anymore, right?

Fold pre, you either underestimate rake, or how shitty this hand is vs MP's open range. Turn bet is fine but it might be a bit too big. When he raises you that's super gross but idk if you can really fold

Also, you shouldn't even really show results immediately in the first place, let alone put them in the thread title

If you cant pay attention to a river spot in a 133bb pot, you should not even worry about theory. you x/r flop huge, Bomb the turn and then get min raised to half a buy in- but your attention is still somewhere else? wtf

feels like we can split between big and small sizings on the turn

best keep your reasoning for later in thread, let people judge without bias. (i didnt read)

folding pre - but as AP, - IF we are to x/r (i dont get here with T8o but sure, some of the time cant be awful now we are here), then 9bb seems a more reasonable sizing. once we x/r and hit our gutshot - as awful as his value raise to face is on turn (like how often are we going to face raises with us potting turn) , how are we supposed to not get stacked at this point?

i think its a good example of how mistakes pre flop can snowball into much larger ones post flop. good learning lesson i think.

Fantastic point

yes this

AP, jam turn before board pairs or flush comes and his junk or 2p nit up

its a fold pre but I dont hate a call vs a minraise

Was going to state the same yesterday (somewhat). I mainly play fast fold. What I get into trouble with is those min raises, and calling with hands off the chart.

I have learned to simply fold (fast fold is good for this), and let him have the BB, vs losing more.

wdym?

It can be hard for posters to give unbiased advice after seeing results thats why its best to exclude the final results.

As already said, T8o is too weak to call vs the tighter positions like LJ-CO. Vs the BTN its borderline and vs SB its a pure call. AP you just jam turn bro. If he has it he has it.

Edit; you may need to work on your xr strategy as evidenced from this hand and your AJo hand. Against the tighter positions you want to be a bit more linear with your xr range. In the wider positions like blinds vs BTN you can be a lot more polar.

It's hard to be linear or balanced with cr on flop when we have like 1 set and 1 2 pair combo as nuts and everything else are weakish draws and shitty pairs, and this is primary issue with preflop call with such hands, even if we get a piece of board we are either dominated even if we hit our draw or have no fold equity against competent villain, becouse he just know we have nothing here

Both we (and opponent) can have a lot of pair-plus-draw here (QT, JT, T9)

I prefer to jam turn but with the second nuts I'm certainly not getting away from this

River is whatever, obviously a horrible card

i think preflop is too loose, i think the flop is way too loose and too big (the whole i can do this some % of the time idk if that actually works out if you don't stop and think about what hands you're actually doing it with), i think you can definitely c/c the flop with your hand, and most of the rest of the analysis seems results oriented. the river kind of looks like panic too. i think waiting for the board to pair and open jamming into his turn minraise range is the least effective way to get the money in here once he raises the turn (behind reraising the turn or c/c the river). its hard to take the post seriously when you devalue it by saying things like "i was playing for fun and i wasnt trying to win" and "i jammed because i wasnt paying attention and a straight is a good hand" while bemoaning your bad luck imo.

Personally I like it when people put some effort into giving their thought process (and before they get embarrassed by the criticism in the thread) so long as it doesn't turn into a wall of text. I think someone's thought process is often more revealing than the hand. Otherwise I'm with you on the hand itself.

OP, if you find yourself not paying attention to a hand then you should consider whether you're playing too many tables or too long a session. It sounds like you've totally lost track of your range and that's down to the call pre. This probably explains the bet-sizing and the turn call too. When he clicks it back you should be shipping here rather then end up in a weird river donk for half pot.

i also like when people post their thought processes, i think it gives us a lot more to potentially help them with, and avoids people telling them stuff they already know. just don't post results; end the HH after your last action such that we don't know if he called or folded to your river jam

anyway you arguably played every street here poorly. preflop is whatever, i would default to foldign because if its +EV it isn't by much and you have to execute near perfectly to realize that theoretical EV, plus it takes attention to do it which you're up front about having a finite amount of. so especially if you're multitabling just pass vs MP's open here. i'd call it vs a CO minraise tho prob and vs a BTN minraise 100%.

flop this has gotta be a pretty low frequency x/r and when you do it it doensn't need to be that big

turn is the biggest mistake of the hand tho and the one most easily learned from. your PSB sizing is fine but you have to jam it in over the raise. flatting OOP with this tiny amount behind puts you in the wrost spot because its not like you're gonna avoid getting stacked by KT very often at all, but he gets to check down his 2pair that would have had to reluctantly call a shove. so you win less when ahead but don't lose much less than behind. this is also why we end up holding our nose and jamming a bunch of marginal hands OOP on rivers with SPR <1 if villain doesn't have a bunch of natural bluffs.