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11-15-2018 , 04:03 PM

DooDooPoker

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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
BB ($10.38) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 30.3% | 3-Bet: 12.6% | Hands: 276]
HJ ($12.26) [VPIP: 30.6% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 35.9% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 65]
CO ($18.94) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 22.4% | AGG: 30.2% | 3-Bet: 11.9% | Hands: 114]
BTN ($4.75) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 3]
HERO ($11.55) [VPIP: 27.3% | PFR: 22.4% | AGG: 33.4% | 3-Bet: 8.2% | Hands: 2291]

Dealt to Hero: K

HJ Raises To $0.29, CO Calls $0.29, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $1.40, BB Folds, HJ Calls $1.11, CO Calls $1.11

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.36 effective]
Flop ($4.30): J

HERO Checks, HJ Bets $1.02 (Rem. Stack: 9.84), CO Calls $1.02 (Rem. Stack: 16.52), HERO Raises To $3.60 (Rem. Stack: 6.55)

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11-15-2018 , 04:12 PM

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This is one of those flops where you should never have a xring range, I just usually either check or go for a 25-33% otf.

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11-15-2018 , 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mahsjdi

This is one of those flops where you should never have a xring range, I just usually either check or go for a 25-33% otf.

What if I have AJs, why would I not want to XR?

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11-15-2018 , 04:15 PM

mahsjdi

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What hands do you balance it out with? There aren't any decent hands to xr bluff otf with. Anyway they have more Jx in their range than you do.

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11-15-2018 , 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mahsjdi

What hands do you balance it out with? There aren't any decent hands to xr bluff otf with.

Im pretty sure that this is not the right way to look at these kinds of spots.
On the other hand i have problems with constructing raising ranges on dry boards myself.

+1 to they have more Jx and we should never be raising in OPs shoes here though
However, maybe one of them levels himself into folding Jx

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11-15-2018 , 04:28 PM

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I might be a simpleton but I can't see what the hell we're trying to achieve x/raising in this spot.

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11-15-2018 , 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mahsjdi

What hands do you balance it out with? There aren't any decent hands to xr bluff otf with. Anyway they have more Jx in their range than you do.

This is the best combo to bluff with. I block A

and K

. I balance it out with hands like this and maybe KQ.

Also we have the the same amount of Jx combos i think since I squeeze all my suited broadway Jx.

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11-15-2018 , 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Iblis

I might be a simpleton but I can't see what the hell we're trying to achieve x/raising in this spot.

Pretty much get them to fold all pocket pairs between 22-TT(save 66)/6x. Even QQ folds here a lot.

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11-15-2018 , 04:59 PM

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I think betting is probably best. Check-raising looks suicidal. If you insist on having a check-raising range, probably KQs with a backdoor flush draw would be best, as you can turn some equity and also fold out any Ax floats. AK has got some SDV.
For all I know this bluff actually worked (i.e. you made some pairs fold), but it looks like another example of you trying too a bit too hard to win a pot. HJ shouldn't really be betting without a jack, should he?

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11-15-2018 , 05:04 PM

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amazin lazer

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sorry to be obvious, OP, but you need to tone it down at 10NL. I like your posts about balance and ****, but these stakes are absurdly easy to beat just playing solid. Every time you're barreling off with ace high on dry boards, you're losing money. Every time you pay off big turn and river bets with marginal holdings, you're losing money. 10NL is A-B-C.

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11-15-2018 , 05:31 PM

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I don't understand the raise here. It makes literally zero sense with a bluffcatching hand.

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11-15-2018 , 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

This is the best combo to bluff with. I block A

and K

. I balance it out with hands like this and maybe KQ.

Also we have the the same amount of Jx combos i think since I squeeze all my suited broadway Jx.

You need to immediately fire your coaches and demand a refund plus interest for all the bi's you are completely spewing based on their solver based GTO bs.

Last edited by WorldzMine; 11-15-2018 at 05:40 PM.

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11-15-2018 , 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

I think betting here is pretty suicidal. We should be checking AA-QQ here very often I think since we can’t stand a raise. I wouldn’t be surprised if range checking is pretty close to optimal. I know solvers don’t work in 3 way pots but definitely would be interested in what they say if it were HU.

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11-15-2018 , 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by amazin lazer

10NL on WPN is far from absurdly easy to beat. Most Regs are “pros” from 3 world countries. I’ve played on a bunch of other networks, and I’d agree with you about the games on those networks.

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11-15-2018 , 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

You need to immediately fire your coaches and demand a refund plus interest for all the bi's you are completely spewing based on their solver based GTO bs.

Lol no that’s a real concept. I’m not sure if this is spew and that’s why I posted it. No one here seems to think it is good so I’m off to a bad start.

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11-15-2018 , 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

10NL on WPN is far from absurdly easy to beat. I’ve played on a bunch of other networks, and I’d agree with you about the games on those networks.

Do you not play poker to try to win money? Seems like it's just a dick swinging contest based on that snippet. If I wanted to swing my dick around for ego, I'd push to $100nl+ on softer sites and then get rewarded for having the biggest hardest dick after going back to WPN at that point. My $.02

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11-15-2018 , 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by .isolated

I have to play on WPN in order to do my coaching for profits deal so I don't have a choice since that is their affiliate site. Obviously i'd go play on marsh mellow candy land BOL games if I could.

Thoughts on this hand?

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11-16-2018 , 04:01 AM

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fps

bet flop bet turn is my standard

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11-16-2018 , 06:19 AM

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This is not good.We dont have c/r range on this board.

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11-16-2018 , 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Terrible, either x and call the small bet or bet small

You chose the worst line, maybe even jamming is better

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11-16-2018 , 08:46 AM

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You guys are right, should just bet flop/turn here. Thanks for the advice everybody.

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