Mandatory river bluff? - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($107.65)
CO ($35.65)
BTN ($61.72)
SB ($41.54)
BB ($25)
UTG ($45.63)

Dealt to Hero: 6

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.50, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.40, BB Raises To $2, HERO Calls $1.50, SB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [5.11 effective]
Flop ($4.50): 2

BB Checks, HERO Bets $1.50 (Rem. Stack: $104.15), BB Calls $1.50 (Rem. Stack: $21.50)

Turn ($7.50): 2

BB Checks, HERO Bets $2.50 (Rem. Stack: $101.65), BB Calls $2.50 (Rem. Stack: $19)

River ($12.50): 2

BB Checks, HERO Bets $101.65 (allin)

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04-12-2021 , 06:52 PM

Ramius

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flop is a check, you can stab turn if checked, river is cf in both scenarios, BB have 1 million and one flushes, he may 3bet less suited brodways from bb vs mp than you think and play those passively

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04-12-2021 , 07:01 PM

FutureInsights

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Fold pre

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04-12-2021 , 07:35 PM

superpoker666

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I would bet large ott and bet normal size on the river, representing a set. You blocker cannot support a jamming size otr. Will do with spade hand.

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04-12-2021 , 07:52 PM

IIlllIlIllIIlIlllI

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Originally Posted by Ramius

flop is a check, you can stab turn if checked, river is cf in both scenarios, BB have 1 million and one flushes, he may 3bet less suited brodways from bb vs mp than you think and play those passively

Why is flop a check?

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04-12-2021 , 07:59 PM

pjj

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Flop I'd go a little bigger, turn you pick up more equity, so continuing is good. River, I'd much rather have a spade, but you probably aren't getting there with too many of them, and you do you need at least a few bluffs seen as a lot of your bluffs have now got there. So you probably have to, I reckon, as villain will have to fold a lot of hands.

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04-12-2021 , 07:59 PM

whitemares

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Originally Posted by IIlllIlIllIIlIlllI

Why is flop a check?

Weak straight draws w undercards get checked behind a lot in 3b pots

OP, why didn't you go 1/3 with this hand otr?

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04-12-2021 , 08:22 PM

Koss

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Originally Posted by whitemares

Weak straight draws w undercards get checked behind a lot in 3b pots

But why tho? We are going to whiff this flop a lot. This seems like a good hand to have in our bluff range.

I would've gone bigger on the turn. Otherwise I'm fine triple barreling here.

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04-12-2021 , 09:00 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by superpoker666

I would bet large ott and bet normal size on the river, representing a set. You blocker cannot support a jamming size otr. Will do with spade hand.

I don't have any 1 spade hands.

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04-12-2021 , 09:01 PM

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DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by whitemares

Weak straight draws w undercards get checked behind a lot in 3b pots

OP, why didn't you go 1/3 with this hand otr?

Can def go 1/3 OTR. I didn't think FD's almost ever played flop as a x/c + I don't have any natural bluffs here so I figured repping a boat/flush is fine.

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04-12-2021 , 09:03 PM

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superpoker666

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I don't have any 1 spade hands.

AQ/AKo

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04-12-2021 , 09:03 PM

#12

aner0

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seems fine

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04-12-2021 , 09:05 PM

#13

Biochemie

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we come that far and we are not checking back 6high on the river
at higher stakes I'd check the flop back and try to realize, I think in the micros people dont give you any value range that is checking flop and bet turn and shove river, so
I also dont think they fold any pairs here and they are also calling you down alot with AsKx, atleast I would because you are mega polarized you are not jamming like TT on the river.

so all in all

yes

flop turn river is good
pre is the punt

Last edited by Biochemie; 04-12-2021 at 09:12 PM.

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04-12-2021 , 09:06 PM

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aner0

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pre is not a punt wth

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04-12-2021 , 09:21 PM

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Biochemie

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Originally Posted by aner0

pre is not a punt wth

you think its ok to call a bb 3b range with 56s because we are ip and its a small raise?

i do think dodo has a massive edge against this field, but a bad hand is still a bad hand doesnt matter how good you can navigate it post.
he ruins his own edge by himself with not necessary tripple barrels, massive overbet bluffs, preflop garbage hands selection

just my opinion

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04-12-2021 , 09:26 PM

#16

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by superpoker666

AQ/AKo

I don't think we want to start turning high SDV hands into bluffs OTF but I could be wrong.

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04-13-2021 , 03:27 AM

#17

Ramius

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Originally Posted by IIlllIlIllIIlIlllI

Why is flop a check?

Becouse you have 3 clear outs to non nuts, it might be better to get raised on flop than called and villain range like this flop in general

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04-13-2021 , 03:47 AM

#18

superpoker666

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I don't think we want to start turning high SDV hands into bluffs OTF but I could be wrong.

With these position these hands have less sdv and you can turn them into bluff at some freqency when spade hits otr. You can check back AQ/AKo without spade more.

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04-13-2021 , 05:10 AM

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whitemares

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Originally Posted by Biochemie

Opening 2bb in HJ then facing 8bb BB 3b, this is a pure call. 3b defense ranges are pretty much always built around suited hands

What makes you call this "a bad hand?"

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04-13-2021 , 11:49 AM

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FutureInsights

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Originally Posted by aner0

pre is not a punt wth

Pre is punt. We are deep, and this hand tends to reverse implied odds in that situation.

This hand should not be opened in HJ, ever. Again, against theory. Why? Because of 3bets, squeezes, so many people to act behind. This limp strategy is fine if you want to fold later, but you are not folding. Villain may have made small 3bet, but you made mine raise open.

I don't see anyone opening this from HJ in pool (unless fish), and if they do, 9/10 hands are lost. A5s or 54s would be better with odds (research).

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04-13-2021 , 11:54 AM

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FutureInsights

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Originally Posted by whitemares

Opening 2bb in HJ then facing 8bb BB 3b, this is a pure call. 3b defense ranges are pretty much always built around suited hands

What makes you call this "a bad hand?"

What makes you say that? I don't see it in pool. And my 3bet range against HJ from BB is QQ+, AKs, KQs, QJs, AKo.

Show me the range that says 3bet defense range from HJ is suited hands please.

I showed you mine, you show me yours.

OOP, sorry. My 3bet defense from HJ to BB is: QQ-99, AQs-ATs, A5s, KJs+, AKo

AKo you say? Well, I use merged ranges.

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04-13-2021 , 12:34 PM

#22

Otium

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The open is questionable but folding to the 8bb 3bet while ip is laughable

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04-13-2021 , 12:38 PM

#23

FutureInsights

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Originally Posted by Otium

The open is questionable but folding to the 8bb 3bet while ip is laughable

And how many hands in your db have you won following the call IP?

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04-13-2021 , 12:49 PM

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Koss

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IP 3 bet defense ranges aren't static, they should be a sliding scale based on the 3 bet size and stack sizes. The min open will allow us to play more hands and defend wider against the 3 bets that follow. I think calling IP is fine here against this size.

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04-13-2021 , 12:59 PM

#25

FutureInsights

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Originally Posted by Koss

Hero is over 400 bb deep. That hand becomes reverse implied odds at this point in time.

Some players want to play those fun hands deep. Sure, but them guys have their eyes on your stack as well. At this depth, bluffing should not be in the equation. Leaving the table and having some Brandy should be.

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