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07-17-2019 , 09:22 PM
I recently noticed my WWSF is only 41 over 340k hands. This is at NL10 and NL25, and I'm a 2.8bbs/100 winner overall. Even my heater month where I won at almost 14bbs/100, my WWSF was only 42. I guess this means I'm a nit, and I would agree if I was playing the way I'm playing now at higher limits where balance is more important. But at NL10 and 25 most of your competition is so passive post flop that over-folding and rarely bluffing is +EV, and not playing this way is usually spew.

So I guess my issue has to do with not properly identifying the spots where even vs the fish it's still profitable to bluff and make some semi-loose call downs. Either that, or I'm just running relatively bad over almost 400k hands I guess? Are there some good resources out there about when to fight for more pots at the micro stakes?
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07-17-2019 , 09:50 PM
yes you are what we would call a nit
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07-17-2019 , 11:43 PM
wow thats so low. how?
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07-18-2019 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
wow thats so low. how?
I don't know. To me, it seems more difficult to find the right places to play more LAG-y at the micros where you should overall just play straightforward, as opposed to the higher stakes where enough players are paying attention to make ballance matter on a usual basis

I find it hard to combine 2 schools of thought about microstakes; 1 being that you should rarely bluff/hero call and focus on value, and the other being you should work in some bluffs and call downs. It's not that I NEVER do this, but it seems most players are stations overall.

Looking through my database, I noticed I don't try to steal limped pots in the bb ever as a bluff so that could be it? I might also get overly passive in multiway spots, but that's hard to judge as it's usually correct to do so.

Do you recommend any resources that would help this?

Last edited by pokrr; 07-18-2019 at 12:34 AM.
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07-18-2019 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pokrr
I don't know. I find it hard to combine 2 schools of thought about microstakes; 1 being that you should rarely bluff/hero call and focus on value, and the other being you should work in some bluffs and call downs. It seems most players are stations overall. Whenever I do decide to throw in a 2 or 3 barrell, they usually just call with their garbage anyway, and it seems like spew.

Looking through my database, I noticed I don't try to steal limped pots in the bb ever as a bluff so that could be it? I might also get overly passive in multiway spots, but that's hard to judge as it's usually correct to do so.
I would just buy a cheap solver and start SIMing hands. Should help a lot
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07-18-2019 , 06:20 PM
Your problem isn't even about the higher stakes people noticing you being unbalanced and exploiting you the way you think. It's going to be about them making fewer mistakes generally speaking and if you aren't fighting for your share of the pots when nobody has anything then there is no way you will sustain a positive winrate. My suggestion is to search through the upswing poker archives. They have a lot of good free articles that will talk about different concepts and I am sure they would have covered this at least once through the years.

This might help:

https://upswingpoker.com/best-poker-...ners-advanced/
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07-18-2019 , 06:24 PM
That was my full ring wwsf...in 2011

If it's working, keep doing it. Don't change your game to hit stats. That's not to say to not try new things and to stop learning because you should always do those two things.
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07-18-2019 , 08:51 PM
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But at NL10 and 25 most of your competition is so passive post flop that over-folding and rarely bluffing is +EV
So? Jamming AA preflop is +ev ... that does not mean it is the most +ev play.

it is a complicated topic so i will start with some simple advise. against a rec should bluff more on obvious scare cards, and much less on blanks… i.e. a rec is not folding T9 on T85 x x when he has still TP pair by the river. He thinks "if my hand was good on flop it is still good". Regs on the other Hand can fold to 2nd and 3rd barrels even on blankish runouts because they understand your value bet range gets tighter with each street. so against a reg you need a somewhat decent strategy and us good blockers etc. as bluffs and try to find the right frequencies. against recs you should probably either overbluff or underbluff a certain spot. If you bluff and get called. do not get frustrated. recs do the same thing over and over again. think about what your bluff achieved… did he call you with a hand you expected him to call or did you expect him to fold that. if you did expect him to fold that, just stop bluffing against him in that spot and bet for think value next time... but if you bluff the river on T53 2 K and Villain calls with 65...you will want to stop bluffing that guy, because he will probably call again and again with weak pair trying to bluffcatch.
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07-19-2019 , 07:55 PM
Bluffing a fish is way easier than bluffing a good reg.
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