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05-16-2021 , 10:19 PM
99% sure this line makes sense, just not sure if this combo makes sense.

I think unblocking both flush draws is nice

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 111.2 BB
SB: 326.2 BB
BB: 101.4 BB
UTG: 133.6 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 92 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5 A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, fold, BB calls 1.4 BB

Flop: (5.2 BB, 2 players) 2 T Q
BB checks, Hero bets 1.2 BB, BB calls 1.2 BB

Turn: (7.6 BB, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets 14.4 BB, BB calls 14.4 BB

River: (36.4 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets 93.2 BB and is all-in

Edit: Actually, not sure about this flop bet size. I would think solver has a mixed strat here or big bet, I can totally see some 75% bets here

Last edited by IIlllIlIllIIlIlllI; 05-16-2021 at 10:28 PM. Reason: edit to hide results
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05-16-2021 , 10:30 PM
Overbetting the turn narrows villain's range to flush draws (a lot of which we beat) and then hands we don't beat (KQ, KTdd, KJ, K9)

I personally like to give up after overbetting turn on double flush draw boards (when I have some SDV), but maybe it depends on how often (if ever) you think he's folding KJ
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05-16-2021 , 10:35 PM
Yup, like my edit says, solver prefers a bigger flop sizing. I even recognized that in game, then just... didn't do it.

It just so happens that I've already solved this spot on QsTs3d, check it out

https://i.imgur.com/SEOsI43.png

I guess the solver is pretty useless if you don't look at the output lmao. I just solve things to look at 'eventually'...

Alright. Too tired tonight but it looks like my line, even when I bet 3/4 and not 1/4 on the flop is still OK. Although, there's some funky stuff going on with suit selection which I'm assuming has to do with blocking/unblocking certain draws. Too tired to look into it now, but I do see it takes this line with some A5o, so... to be continued...
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05-16-2021 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
Overbetting the turn narrows villain's range to flush draws (a lot of which we beat) and then hands we don't beat (KQ, KTdd, KJ, K9)

I personally like to give up after overbetting turn on double flush draw boards (when I have some SDV), but maybe it depends on how often (if ever) you think he's folding KJ
Ah, you responded in between my mini edit/response. Yeah, that's what I was worried about. I would think people aren't defending vs overbets enough, so their range is probably stronger than it should be. I just figured unblocking the flushes means they're slightly more missed draw heavy. Honestly, in that case, I wonder if I ever win at showdown. Although, they probably have a pair to go along with their flushdraw, and if not, it would suck to lose to like A6 lol
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05-17-2021 , 01:21 AM
its fine but bet flop bigger
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05-17-2021 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by aner0
its fine but bet flop bigger
Yup, solver agrees. I guess they can easily defend vs 1/4 with so many flush draws, guthsots, pairs etc. it doesn't really put much pressure on their range.
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05-17-2021 , 04:17 PM
I'm betting around 3BB on the flop
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05-17-2021 , 04:35 PM
Overdoing it tbh for me. There are so many bluffs you can have on the turn, when you 2x pot you have to take it down there at a high frequency for the bet to be profitable, as the board is so wet he'll call a lot with any j or any q. Same goes with size on river, you can make him fold low pairs, better ax etc. for less than a jam.

The k could be a scare card if he's holding a j or q, but what are you really repping when you overbet the turn then jam the river? AJ is only hand, but then would AJ 2x pot the turn? Looks suspect. AK doesn't need to bet so big on the turn as you have showdown.

Your card removal is ok not holding a spade or diamond so it's never going to be too bad, but just think you can achieve what you're trying by betting smaller. If I had a made hand I'd find your line kind of spewy.

Bet bigger on flop too.
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05-17-2021 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tamol
Overdoing it tbh for me. There are so many bluffs you can have on the turn, when you 2x pot you have to take it down there at a high frequency for the bet to be profitable, as the board is so wet he'll call a lot with any j or any q. Same goes with size on river, you can make him fold low pairs, better ax etc. for less than a jam.

The k could be a scare card if he's holding a j or q, but what are you really repping when you overbet the turn then jam the river? AJ is only hand, but then would AJ 2x pot the turn? Looks suspect. AK doesn't need to bet so big on the turn as you have showdown.

Your card removal is ok not holding a spade or diamond so it's never going to be too bad, but just think you can achieve what you're trying by betting smaller. If I had a made hand I'd find your line kind of spewy.

Bet bigger on flop too.
Would I really only jam AJ for value though? What about J9? Is jamming sets or even 2pair way too thin? I guess I have to get called by something right?

But I think their range is pretty capped right? Best hand I can really see them showing up with is like QK? QT that didn't raise flop? Or maybe Q3s etc. I really can't see them having better than 2 pair here (I guess they can rarely have some straights too?) but overall I think they're pretty capped.

The way I understand this spot is that since they're pretty capped, I can be getting it pretty thinly since they have to call down pretty thinly as well, considering they just don't have that many monsters.

Is that incorrect? Also, I guess I'd rather be bluffing with a hand that blocks the straight or even strong top pair?
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05-18-2021 , 12:08 PM
I think your reasoning that he is capped is sound, I like the line alot except I would always bet bigger on the flop, at least half. Other than that, looks good as long as you realize he is going to tank call with KJ.
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