Analyzing my 3 bet calls and looking for leaks I came across this hand in my losers pile.

I think my river beat was the result of my decisions on the flop here maybe. I get the bite when I check the flop and instead of x/raising I decide to string him along. I pay the price for it.

I try not to get Flush Draw Phobia every time there is one out there. I hated villains 3bet there at first but BU vs CO I guess it isn't that horrible. My image is pretty active. I should of went with the 4bet but JJ isn't usually in my 4 bet range. I guess maybe it should be OOP especially vs a button 3bet.

So anyone in this spot that 4bets here what sizing are you using OOP?
Better lines preflop, flop, turn whatever?

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.02(BB)
SB ($2.04) [VPIP: 28.8% | PFR: 23.1% | AGG: 30.8% | 3-Bet: 5.6% | Hands: 54]
BB ($0.91) [VPIP: 54.9% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 28.6% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 53]
HJ ($1.86) [VPIP: 24.4% | PFR: 12.6% | AGG: 29% | 3-Bet: 3.6% | Hands: 129]
HERO ($2.47) [VPIP: 27.4% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 33.1% | 3-Bet: 7.3% | Hands: 13856]
BTN ($2.88) [VPIP: 26.1% | PFR: 18.7% | AGG: 35.8% | 3-Bet: 6% | Hands: 636]

Dealt to Hero: J J

HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.06, BTN Raises To $0.21, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $0.15

Hero SPR on Flop: [5.02 effective]
Flop ($0.45): 7 J T
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $0.32 (Rem. Stack: 2.35), HERO Calls $0.32 (Rem. Stack: 1.94)

Turn ($1.09): 7 J T A
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

River ($1.09): 7 J T A 3
HERO Bets $0.78 (Rem. Stack: 1.16), BTN Raises To $1.56 (Rem. Stack: 0.79), HERO Calls $0.78 (Rem. Stack: 0.38)

Dont post spoils.

Even without looking at results I would say JJ would be in my 5b range oop. Definitely raising gii otf.

These ranges might be ****ed up... let me know... I am here to learn as well.

Cc 4b AA KK AQs AJs T9s+ <TT-88

5b gii JJ QQ AKo

5Bf Axs KQo AQo

3bf KJ AJ 77-55

Thanks

I posted the result so other could see how villain was playing his range as well. Not super important but may be some info there someone else can point out that I’m not seeing. Didn’t intentionally post it as a spoil. DriveHUD does it automatically. Didn’t think to remove the brackets.

My 3/4/5 bet range is more of a TAG range with a couple bluffs for balance. That can change depending on the raider/# and type of players left to act. In the right situation half the deck can be in my 3/4 bet range.

Why? This is 100% a 4-bet but especially so when you mention this:

To answer your sizing question: I'd make it around $.55.

This player is a regular 3 bet/fold to 4bet so I wanted to go post flop and get max value. My honest answer to why I don't 4 bet JJ is running in to bigger pairs so many times or losing by showdown. If the effective stack is less than 100bbs then I want to set it up to get them in so I will 4 bet in a smaller stack situation. In a typical 100bb situation I prefer to be able to extract money post flop or fold if I think I'm beat.

I know it's probably not the best line but JJ is a losing hand in my data over a small sample size and it's not even close to break even. It's -326bbs. It is well under bbEV though. I just had some sick villain runnouts. I think it's a mental thing now.

What you're doing is subtly tilting every time you get JJ in this spot. Take the line you know is best and stop tilting.

I often find myself confused in such spots once you 4b how often are you calling if he jams?

Calling and not loving it. If he ever jams AQs we have a slam dunk call. That's 4 combos and if he shoves only TT+/AK, we're printing. I expect the overall play to have a higher ev than this calling oop and hoping to play well when an over flops 50% of the time.

JJ+AK can stack off
4b bluffs are baby AXs, you decide how many you want
AQs-ATs,KQs,TT-88 are good enough to flat
AQo,KJs,QJs,77 are marginal calls usually

Yeah that’s a really good way to put it. That’s 100% on the money.

We are talking effective stacks 100bbs or under here correct? I’m sure that’s assumed but anyone reading this that may be new should know that.

5 bets don’t have to be jams with 250bbs in the effective stack. I’d play post flop poker in that situation.

Or does anyone think differently?