Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 101 BB (VPIP: 20.17, PFR: 13.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.84, Hands: 469)
CO: 105 BB (VPIP: 22.60, PFR: 18.13, 3Bet Preflop: 5.45, Hands: 2,535)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.41, PFR: 12.52, 3Bet Preflop: 1.99, Hands: 2,140)
SB: 119.8 BB (VPIP: 23.26, PFR: 15.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.59, Hands: 1,443)
Hero (BB): 153.4 BB
UTG: 109 BB (VPIP: 26.30, PFR: 16.37, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 3,930)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, CO calls 8.8 BB

Flop: (22.4 BB, 2 players) A 4 7
Hero checks, CO bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn: (46.4 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, CO bets 26 BB, Hero calls 26 BB

River: (98.4 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, CO bets 56 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 56 BB


Well played or spew? Villian is an okay reg capable of tripling w/ draws, airish hands ,etc.
I could have small bet the flop, but this is one of my best unmade hands to be in my x/c flop range imo

i think you played it well. I usually bet flop but x/c seems good too. I also think shipping the turn is good and puts hands like AJ/AT in an awful spot

The C/C on flop is terribad, bet the flop you're oop and hoping for miracles to happen

When you 3b pre and the flop is A hi you'll get a tonne of immediate folds by betting 1/3 pot, V can be bluffing with better hands. Avoid these guessing games oop

Betting flop is much better than check call. As played don't see how we can fold

What hands can villain be bluffing with that are better than KQ?

45? 76? those hands seems like reasonable bluffs, because they block some weak aces which could take Hero's line, they also don't block any of the underpairs, which COULD fold river. So do we ever even fold on the river? Or we just call 100% of the range we come to the river and still people think it's a good play? Wow.

It's spew I think.

Some questions I have:
What's your thinking behind a 5x 3b?
What are we hoping for when we x/c flop? As far as I can see we got a great turn and still just x/ced, so are we x/c exclusively hoping for runner runner clubs?
What would have been your play if your flush completed OTR?

The 3 bet looks larger than it is because the initial raise was only 2.2x and people like to call 3bets IP even when they should fold.

Balance. To protect my x/c range. I don't like the idea of pumping variance into a hand on the turn when it's unneeded.

Clubs, K, Q, or the A we got.

It can be, and usually is exploitatively yes. It's not when it comes to strengthening a x/c range that can stand up to triple-barrels though.

You're assuming that I want "a ton of folds" on a A high flop after I 3 bet which isn't true.

Why? Or more specifically what does this do to my entire range that I'm x'ing if I bet this specific combo here? In other words, I'm saying I will have plenty of combo's to bet both for value and a bluff, but I'm not sure this combo should be in either. I need to x/c sometimes too.

Basically, to everyone, I don't think the flop was an issue. I just want to make sure that once I do take that line that I should be calling down on this exact runout.

You should get PIO Solver to figure out if you should call down on this runout. Just curious what did Villain have?

Yeah thought about using PIO, just wanted to hear opinions, even though I'm not liking/agreeing with them.

I agree with your thought process fwiw. Definitely want some hands like this in our X/c range. I mean the fact that you were right favors your argument over betting. If we bet here we get raised and just fold. Then instead of winning 100BBs we lose 15BBs. People just respond with outrageous statements like x/c is so bad when it is a very reasonable play. If we barrel all our Broadway hands we are going to be bluffing way too often on Axx boards. NH

I should state I don't think the given advice is bad at all. It's standard to c-bet and x/r on the turn is completely valid. I just think that my x/c range w/ my specific hand in this situation get's strengthened if I x/c w/ it some percentage of the time. Only a solver would tell me what the percentage is though, I suppose. A solver won't always be correct anyways so just trying to pick decent spots, and not over doing it should be enough.

Adding backdoor draws to your x/c range doesn't strengthen it, it does the opposite.

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you can check flop with weak Ax or KK/QQ types of hands if you really want to strengthen your checking range for some reasons

Both snowie and PIO rate flop c/call significantly -EV w KcQc, as expected river play is outrageous (PIO even folds 10% of Ax on the river vs this "small" sizing" which I never would). The only thing villain hand is telling us is that he has inelastic preflop range vs 3bets, he should never call this hand vs 5x. So you exploited that. Once he comes with that hand to the flop, PIO chooses this hand as one of his favorite 3 barrel bluffs.

When people check these flops I feel like they're never folding because if they had air they would just bet. So in most cases they're just trying to get to showdown with something marginal which pretty much lets the player in position play perfectly. You got lucky in this case since villain doesn't know how to read hands very well.

but how is this true if Worldz owned this guy so hard? i've never seen harder ownage in my life! somehow i don't think that we'd be seeing this hand had Worldz lost

it is true though that you should balance checking these flops. i sure hope people x nutty hands here at some frequency to not always have the nut no pair or KK.

haha im the opposite i always post the hands where i get rekted.

Nice trollage :kappa:

Also, I would of posted this hand either way because it had me thinking because normally I would never call 3 barrels w/ K high, but at the same time in the moment it "felt" correct.

I would have played every street different.

+1

Lol, nh.

But dude, seriously, you xc 3 streets with the nut no pair. How often do you expect to be good in this spot? If he can do this with 86dd, he has every straight, boat and loads of trips along with other weak SDV hands he might turn into a bluff because he feels like it's the only way he can win, right? You think he's doing this with hands like 98s-JTs often enough?

This hand does illustrate how hard some regs will attack a capped range at these small stakes. It's like they can't take their foot off the gas; though I actually like Vs hand choice for his line, I think he should have folded pre.

FWIW, I would bet flop though, as others have said, you have a bunch of suited Ax hands that can xc down.

Some serious levelling though ith, starting with the pre flop sizing.

/end my random thoughts