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02-22-2018 , 02:57 AM
I want to preface that I am having some weird technical difficulties with my mouse and raising pre... some reason I can't just hit the 1/2 or 3/4 pot which is what I like to do when I raise pre - so I have to just min raise it pre and it's like that for all my raises.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 205 BB (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 6.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
Hero (UTG): 163.5 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.06, PFR: 19.01, 3Bet Preflop: 10.71, Hands: 146)
BTN: 139.5 BB (VPIP: 24.10, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 85)
SB: 145 BB (VPIP: 34.09, PFR: 30.23, 3Bet Preflop: 18.75, Hands: 45)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 3 players) 5 8 3
SB bets 4.5 BB, BB calls 4.5 BB, Hero raises to 19 BB, SB calls 14.5 BB, BB calls 14.5 BB

Turn: (63 BB, 3 players) 2
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 30 BB, fold, BB calls 30 BB

River: (123 BB, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero checks

I raised the flp because I felt there were a lot of draws and inferior over pairs that could be donking and over calling here so I raised for value. Do you feel that was spewey nonetheless? if not is the raise size ok?

I felt the turn was a brick and I didn't want to give a free card... and if he called here with 77-QQ and 67 and suited overs I want to get value as well.

Is the river a standard bet fold spot? Or is three streets of value too hopeful? I think he calls me with all those pocket pairs so my analysis is I missed value from those hands. I don't think he's the kind of guy that can turn a medium pp into a bluff so he's only raising with nutted hands... I am double checking my self reviews here as well... thanks

Last edited by nonsimplesimon; 02-22-2018 at 03:04 AM.
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02-22-2018 , 03:35 AM
Yeah you have to bet the river vs a fish. Really I don't see what better hands he can have as played almost ever.

You can click the bar instead to 3x it pre.
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02-22-2018 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Yeah you have to bet the river vs a fish. Really I don't see what better hands he can have as played almost ever.

You can click the bar instead to 3x it pre.
Agree with this to a certain extent. Doubt villain checks a set hu oop on 3 streets. Shud have a missed FD or low overpair here most of the time. Checking back otr is understandable but I think were good to value bet.
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02-22-2018 , 04:31 AM
Bet river

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02-22-2018 , 06:05 AM
Bigger turn and shove river. Not stacking here is a fairly big mistake imo, a bit scared money perhaps.
Also fish usually shoots his load earlier in the hand if he flops or turns the nuts
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02-22-2018 , 01:24 PM
Opponent's a 45/7 fish who just keeps clicking call. Bigger OTT, shove river.
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02-22-2018 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
Bigger turn and shove river. Not stacking here is a fairly big mistake imo, a bit scared money perhaps.
Also fish usually shoots his load earlier in the hand if he flops or turns the nuts
Agree with this completely.

Also, I'm not familiar with WPN's software but can you not highlight the bet amount and just type in what you really wanted to raise?
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02-22-2018 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dynamite2006

Also, I'm not familiar with WPN's software but can you not highlight the bet amount and just type in what you really wanted to raise?
Yes, you can.
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02-22-2018 , 04:34 PM
I agree river is a bet, but I would think it is a b/f. If my math is right we are still fairly deep on the river.

What is the argument for shoving the river vs. b/f?

I struggle with these decisions.
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02-22-2018 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by antneye
I agree river is a bet, but I would think it is a b/f. If my math is right we are still fairly deep on the river.

What is the argument for shoving the river vs. b/f?.
IMO-- villain's a calling station at 2NL and is never ever ever folding an overpair (especially after all the draws miss), plus the running deuces are great for us because now some two-pair hands get counterfeited. Furthermore, villain really shouldn't have anything that beats us, or at least not at a high enough frequency for me to want to entertain b/f'ing.

Fish are usually pretty inelastic with their ranges as long as you're not going crazy with your bet sizes postflop. I would be surprised if there was much of a difference between what a fish calls vs. a 1/2 PSB and what a fish calls vs. a 90% PSB shove.
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02-22-2018 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
Opponent's a 45/7 fish who just keeps clicking call. Bigger OTT, shove river.
+1

I think it's fine until the river. You have a really favorable runout against a likely fish whose range consists almost entirely of worse two pair.
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