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Old 05-17-2017, 09:39 AM   #1
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KK facing raise low wet board multiway 5nl

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $17.64 (352.8 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG): $5.14 (102.8 bb)
MP: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $6.62 (132.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.13, MP folds, CO calls $0.13, BTN folds, SB calls $0.11, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.52) 4 3 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, CO raises to $1.03, 2 folds, Hero raises/calls/folds

VIllian 16/14/3.3 agg 662 hands 3bets 2 and pretty tight other stats, not much postflop stats that could help this hand

I know I have been posting extensively on some other posts, and I will do later but would like to see what other people think first.
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:59 AM   #2
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Re: KK facing raise low wet board multiway 5nl

Call
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Old 05-17-2017, 01:08 PM   #3
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Re: KK facing raise low wet board multiway 5nl

I think you call and reevaluate turn. Pretty much the only things I think he could have here are 77-JJ, and most FDs (you don't block Kxss so that's a little more bluff in his range). 65 won't call pre COvUTG I believe, and something like A5s would probably rather 3bet or fold.
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Old 05-17-2017, 01:21 PM   #4
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Re: KK facing raise low wet board multiway 5nl

We need to ask ourselves is this V. really bluffing here 3way with BB and SB still to act? The guy is 16/14 with 2 3bet, I lean towards just folding flop and feeling pretty good about it.
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Old 05-17-2017, 01:35 PM   #5
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Re: KK facing raise low wet board multiway 5nl

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We need to ask ourselves is this V. really bluffing here 3way with BB and SB still to act? The guy is 16/14 with 2 3bet, I lean towards just folding flop and feeling pretty good about it.
what if he is stacking with 88-JJ pocket overpair for value ? 55, 66 Ax tptk , AX tptk +3flush draw etc . It's nl 5 after all. Folding overpair otf nl5 is very -ev imo.
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Old 05-17-2017, 02:02 PM   #6
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what if he is stacking with 88-JJ pocket overpair for value ? 55, 66 Ax tptk , AX tptk +3flush draw etc . It's nl 5 after all. Folding overpair otf nl5 is very -ev imo.
Very, very unlikely he is raising 88-JJ here 4way after we cbet flop, from my experience almost never, only fish do that, and this guy is an obvious nitreg.
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Old 05-17-2017, 03:50 PM   #7
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Re: KK facing raise low wet board multiway 5nl

W a 3.3 agg factor he could very well be overplaying an OP. I've seen this player type flat QQ in this position before and would probably go with it on a 7 high flop.
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Old 05-17-2017, 03:53 PM   #8
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W a 3.3 agg factor he could very well be overplaying an OP. I've seen this player type flat QQ in this position before and would probably go with it on a 7 high flop.
3.3 is not that much for 16/14, since his preflop range is so tight, postflop he will be able to aggress much more. I mean my agg factor is around 2.8 and I play 26/22, and I don't find myself that aggro.
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Old 05-17-2017, 04:41 PM   #9
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Re: KK facing raise low wet board multiway 5nl

What are villain's flop raising stats? If they're equally nitty then I wouldn't mind a fold. It sucks but yeah.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:26 AM   #10
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Re: KK facing raise low wet board multiway 5nl

Hye sorry all for my delay response, think some good responses were had and a good conversation. The only thing I don't agree on is this comment
"Folding overpair otf nl5 is very -ev imo." - It's your opinion but don't believe this to be necessarily true. in fact I think the opposite, and that having the ability to fold the overpair in situations where our opponents are raising thus indicating strength in 5nl is more apparent given they would less likely to have enough bluffs to value raise ratio.

My thoughts on the hand are pretty much as you guys have said, calling seems to be the best option, however I was considering even folding vs that specific villian type in this specific scenario. I don't have the Ks which gives him a few more bluff raises if he had any but more importantly of my range of hands to cbet and call flop KK would be in the middle to top of those hands. Part of that range to call would be also all my over card FD combos, OESD, FD, sets and QQ-AA. His raise like most of you indicated I think leans towards having the 9 combos of sets 4 combos of straight and a tonne of fd+oesd combos. Think on this flop we can definitely call and re evaluate turn.

What gets interesting is that on the turn it is a 9d and I check he bets 2/3 pot sizing. With the double suited turn and the 9 I think this is where we get into a spot. Whilst I believe that this is a situation where he has enough bluffs to value hands where I should also have some bluff catchers (KK being 2nd best one in our range of hands) I think that exploitatively we find a fold here because of statistics, raise in a 4 way pot and the boards and sizings. I think also some of his hands perhaps like 89s K9s A9s can check back turn with the showdown value acquired so its pure value on turn or pure bluff.

I decided to lay it down on the turn and not super unhappy cause it gave me a chance to review this hand and talk with you guys.,



QUERY!!! On this flop what do we think of checking this board, I think 88-JJ are always cbets, but think QQ-AA played as a check on this specific board where we won't be getting 3 streets of value vs 3 other people might of been a better line. I don't believe its " we has KK we mus MONEYS" I think checking will give our check range here strength especially when we will have AX KX QX hands a chunk of the time here.

What do you guys think?
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:06 AM   #11
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Re: KK facing raise low wet board multiway 5nl

Yes it is a fold CO raising into 3 palyer and all of them can have sets and super strong combo draws +he looks like nit. You dont need to worry about over folding because rest of players will defen a lot too.
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