NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
UTG ($24.28)
HJ ($25.37)
CO ($1.65)
BTN ($4.93)
SB ($2.34)
HERO ($15.61)

Dealt to Hero K K

UTG Raises To $0.2 (Rem. Stack: 24.08), HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75 (Rem. Stack: 14.86), UTG Calls $0.55 (Rem. Stack: 23.53)

Flop ($1.52) 8 T 5
HERO Checks, UTG Bets $0.76 (Rem. Stack: 22.77), HERO Calls $0.76 (Rem. Stack: 14.10)

Turn ($3.04) 8 T 5 7
HERO Checks, UTG Bets $3.04 (Rem. Stack: 19.73), HERO Calls $3.04 (Rem. Stack: 11.06)

River ($9.12) 8 T 5 7 4
HERO Checks, UTG Bets $7.38 (Rem. Stack: 12.35),

Post flop- Looking back I think I should have bet for value. AP I turned my hand into a bluff catcher. I have a clear value hand, why not bet for value even a small 1/3 pot bet?

Would you call the turn?

What about river?

Would Villian take this line with QQ, JJ, AKo, AQs? Very concerned about TT and 88. The large bet on turn and river are very polarizing. The bigger the bet the more I want to call as the these large bets seem to be more part of villians bluff range.

i think you played it well now call. shipping turn might be an option too, these spots are really hard deep OOP

Im trying to think of better hands you can have here besides AA and really can't think of any. flatting preflop seems like leaving money on the table but it does help you avoid spots like this.

The board on the flop is a little wet, but I still like a c-bet. And I really think we need to fold the river, if not on the turn (how nitty is vil post flop?)

3bet bigger pre. I think it’s getting dicey on the turn when he pots it. River I’m just folding AP , really don’t see him value betting worse seems very ambitious from him to put 300bbs in by the river with QQ and JJ and expect to be good and population just don’t bluff enough , especially this deep.

I think you need to cbet this board.

I would bet flop. There are a lot of hands we are going to get called by that are worse than what we got ( JJ, QQ flush draws, random top pairs).

As played, I think if we are x/c KK on flop and turn its going to be one of the strongest hands we can have in this spot. So assuming UTG is capable of bluffing here, I would find a call.

Also is it possible that UTG is value betting something like JJ or QQ? If so then this call just got a lot easier.

Would you call turn or river?

I think so

If you are really going to turn KK into a bluff-catcher, you should bloody well use it to catch bluffs. Call on the river.

But we should definitely c-bet this flop, and the turn, too. (Do you really think villain is opening J9s in the lowjack?)

I hear you. I think I messed up this hand by not c-betting.

What do you do otf if you get raised after you cbet? If you call, what are you doing on later streets?

Not worried too much about J9s, but TT or 88 would play this way. These are the hands I was worried about OTR, more so with TT as 88 probably not flatting a 3bet.

Assign ranges and count card combinations.

Would you mind going through the process of counting combos and assigning ranges with this hand as an example? Us new guys would probably appreciate it.

3b larger, you're giving him a good price to call when you're 300bb deep.
I think you played it well since you should be checking often otf. My instinct is to call river since this near the top of our range. I'll play with a solver and different ranges and update later.

3bet larger, at least 0,85.

i dont like your checks here, and this is way:

Fishes or agressive players make huge bets, so if you are checking you let the villan bet the amount he wants and put it pressure with weak holdings, so you should cbet small bets if you are scare of the board, and he is mostly to call, and you are. protecting your stack, you get the point ?.

so as you play, im maybe check raising flop, but definetly folding river you beat NOTHING.

Sizing our bets to the strength of our hand??? That sounds really exploitable .

no , what i want to say is you can manage the size of the pot oop against a fish/agressive.

Cbet flop all the way !!
You value a lot of hands 99 JJ-QQ ATo JTs+ 98s 7d6d AdXd
Now turn you underplayed your hand so I would call.
River is now very difficult but FD missed and he can value cut his hand so I think I would call

i think if you call here you are -EV completly.


His size bet otr is really value, you beat nothing. Wich fd you beat?

AdXd / JdTd / QdTd / QdJd / Jd9d and some value cut with AdT or JJ QQ are in his range imo if vilain is too aggressive, we underplayed a lot...
It is very vilain dependant, of course if vilain never bluff and never value cut himself on the river it is an easy fold ...

MDF is 55%, and we are at the very top of our check-call/check-call/check range. It would take a rock-solid read that the villain is never bluffing here for me to fold.

Reads would help.

This deep and your smallish sizing pre, I think post flop okay. Betting flop as default.

Piggybacking off what Andy said, what better hands do you have otr that get here this way?

Played with solver and here are the results:
Checks entire range even with equity advantage. The EV of betting pairs vs checking them is basically the same but the EV of betting for unmade hands (AKo) is a little worse than checking. River is a mixed frequency of calling/folding and this combo depends a lot on how loose you give UTG range.

Changing effective stack to 100bb causes solver to prefer betting.
Short summary: Stack size matters a lot when you're OOP. Being deep OOP sucks.