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KK 500bb deep, jam or flat? KK 500bb deep, jam or flat?

03-19-2018 , 07:41 PM
SB: 562.5 BB (VPIP: 92.56, PFR: 48.93, 3Bet Preflop: 23.42, Hands: 746)
Hero (BB): 895.55 BB
UTG: 318.5 BB (VPIP: 41.49, PFR: 21.14, 3Bet Preflop: 3.39, Hands: 1,318)
MP: 169.3 BB (VPIP: 52.39, PFR: 23.07, 3Bet Preflop: 4.18, Hands: 2,523)
CO: 712.2 BB (VPIP: 36.81, PFR: 24.28, 3Bet Preflop: 12.15, Hands: 2,492)
BTN: 89.95 BB (VPIP: 60.81, PFR: 6.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.5 BB, SB calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, MP calls 21.5 BB, BTN raises to 86.45 BB, SB calls 82.95 BB, Hero raises to 895.55 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold

Flop: (291.35 BB, 2 players) 2 4 A

Turn: (291.35 BB, 2 players) J

River: (291.35 BB, 2 players) 4

Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Fours)
(Pre 71%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows 8 A (Two Pair, Aces and Fours)
(Pre 29%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins 291.35 BB

Hero is playing in a field full of whales and aggros. With such an absurd field and preflop lines, does Hero take a flop somehow or just ship it in?
KK 500bb deep, jam or flat? Quote
03-19-2018 , 08:15 PM
You can raise without having to go all in given how insanely deep you are.
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03-19-2018 , 08:39 PM
What site is this

Last edited by Renekton; 03-19-2018 at 08:39 PM. Reason: And how do I join
KK 500bb deep, jam or flat? Quote
03-19-2018 , 09:02 PM
Fold pre.
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03-20-2018 , 01:35 AM
''KK 500bb deep''....

''BTN wins 291.35 BB''...


Spoiler:
ok
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03-20-2018 , 06:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AltoZZ
''KK 500bb deep''....

''BTN wins 291.35 BB''...


Spoiler:
ok
Check SB's stack when he flats the 86bb.

I don't even know where to start with this hand other than where in God's name do you find such a good table? Is this messing around in Stars' homegames or something?

Look, stack depth doesn't matter here if people don't adjust to it. If this table is for real, and you've got 750 hands of someone with a 90% VPIP, then you've got to ask yourself: will he hero fold all worse hands (like he should)? My guess is that he's just that bad.
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03-20-2018 , 06:42 AM
I don't know why you'd consider flatting against whales who are willing to gamble from the get go. Even against KK, any Ax combination has roughly 30% against you. It's unfortunate but shrug and move on.
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03-20-2018 , 07:02 AM
The 5bet could have been a percentage of the pot rather than this massive overbet shove which gave your opponents some chance of getting away from QQ/AK. I'm guessing your only considering flatting as you lost the hand. In any case there's literally no reason to flat a 4bet with KK here. This is exactly the sort of pre flop carnage we want when we pick up KK at an aggro table.
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03-20-2018 , 09:43 AM
Villain is 93/49/godawful. 5-betting smaller is an option, but if he's going to flat a 3.5BB raise, then flat a 86.5BB 4-bet, I'm pretty optimistic that he's willing to call a 562.5BB 5-bet. Maybe he suddenly finds his brain and realizes he needs to fold everything worse when we shove, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Is this a normal cash game table? Grats on the good table selecting.
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03-20-2018 , 10:45 AM
This table is just a merry catch, now isn't it? Is that game still running?
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