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KK in 3 bet on a coordinated paired board KK in 3 bet on a coordinated paired board

03-17-2019 , 11:52 PM
NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HERO ($19.25) [VPIP: 19.8% | PFR: 14.6% | AGG: 26.2% | 3-Bet: 6.7% | Hands: 120387]
SB ($0.7) [VPIP: 66.7% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 50% | Hands: 6]
BB ($11.09) [VPIP: 17.6% | PFR: 7.4% | AGG: 11.4% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 70]
UTG ($6.87) [VPIP: 53% | PFR: 1.2% | AGG: 22.7% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 84]
HJ ($3.62) [VPIP: 45% | PFR: 30% | AGG: 46.7% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 20]
CO ($13.26) [VPIP: 36.2% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 27.8% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 48]

Dealt to Hero: K K

UTG Calls $0.10, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.50, HERO Raises To $1.75, SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Folds, CO Calls $1.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.07 effective]
Flop ($3.75): T 8 9
CO Checks, HERO Bets $1.77 (Rem. Stack: 15.73), CO Calls $1.77 (Rem. Stack: 9.74)

Turn ($7.29): T 8 9 7
CO Checks, HERO Checks

River ($7.29): T 8 9 7 T
CO Bets $4 (Rem. Stack: 5.74)

Just a couple of questions

Should I bet the turn?

What do I do on river?

Any other thoughts appreciated.
KK in 3 bet on a coordinated paired board Quote
03-17-2019 , 11:56 PM
Bet flop bigger..2.80-3.00..Bet 1/2 pot turn. Check River. Fold to raise.
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03-18-2019 , 07:54 AM
Bet the turn doesn't make any sens. I think we should c-back flop at least sometimes, yeah we might (or not) miss value vs QT/KT/AT but anything else that doesn't fold is doing very fine vs overpairs and we're folding to any raise at any point and we almost never have 3 streets and by checking we can rep some AQ/AK and induce mistakes.

Just fold river as played.
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03-18-2019 , 08:28 AM
I don't think you should bet flop, river as played is fold.
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03-18-2019 , 08:40 AM
Flop sucks since there are semi-bluffs villain can raise with her to get us off of our hand. The goal here is to get to a cheap showdown as this isn't the right board texture to get a big payoff from your pocket pair. So another vote for checking the flop

As played, not sure what you beat on the river. A bluff with KQ maybe? Pretty easy fold for me.
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03-18-2019 , 10:17 AM
I typically check the flop with KK/AA here most of the time and would probably choose to cbet this combo as a randomizer since first two cards are club+heart and you have KcKh, though doesn't matter much. Small sizing otf is best, so choosing bigger is incorrect.

You can get away with cbetting here probably as wide as you want, though, because I'm quite confident at this SPR OOP is supposed to be x/r extremely wide and this isn't really happening as much as it probably should be.

Because so much of your range has JX and sets here (JJ/QJs/KJs/AJs/JTs/TT/99/88/77) I think you can get away with betting very often on turn still for a small size, though xb is obv fine.

The only natural bluff for OOP to have on river is KQs which we block, though his sizing is somewhat suspect as I'd imagine he is just supposed to jam here most of the time and attempt to polarize with bluffs being stuff like KQ/AQ/A8. I lean towards a slight overfold as I don't see most people bluffing rivers enough and this runout is generally just good for his range. Our hand also has bad blockers (blocks KQs for his natural bluff) and in a perfect world is probably 0ev vs someone who is bluffing optimally.
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03-18-2019 , 12:35 PM
Board is draw heavy on the flop. KK has two streets of value at this point. So I probably save the Cbet for the turn. Keeps the pot from getting bloated and SPR getting low enough to have me committed. Turn is horrible but as bad as it is for us it could be bad for CO as well. So bet the turn and fold to a x/raise.

Being in position is great here. Hope to check back the river. Only thing we would beat is a bluff, or QQ. So I'm folding to any river bets from CO.

Tough spot.
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03-18-2019 , 02:26 PM
I really like the idea of checking the flop. It didn't occur to me at the time but makes a ton of sense. I like the idea of getting to showdown as cheaply as possible where it is tough to get 3 streets of value in this spot.
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03-18-2019 , 04:25 PM
Check or bet is fine on the flop, but in general checking will give you easier decisions as you can almost always x/c but if you bet and get raised it's a tough spot. As played, you just kind of have to fold on the river
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