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Old 06-22-2008, 01:26 AM   #26
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Old 06-22-2008, 03:53 AM   #27
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This is great advice. Recently I've been mixing up my play a little more, playing weak tight/LAG with shades of nit and station at times...but assuming you can beat all opponents worse than you, would it not be easiest just to sit with the loose passives? TAG(I think I've recently evolved from weak tight, though I definitely was as recently as a month ago) will always be my natural style, and fish will always be my natural opponent, because the game is about winrate and fish win or lose money very quickly, more often the latter. I think it's a bad idea to target nits, though this poast gives great advice on how to exploit the nit at your table while you are waiting to stack the fish
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:06 PM   #28
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Re: Introduction to Table Selection

bump cuz summa ya'll need to read this...
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:32 PM   #29
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Great post Pokey. I don't really have a big PT database so I can't go looking for all the VPIP and PFR% numbers. I am guessing many others have the same "problem". So when I table select I just look for the highest Avg Pot or Plrs/Flop. But the real table selection "skill" for me is recognizing when I'm sitting at a good table or bad table. Sometimes when I sit at a table and tangle with a good player who is probably better than me I throw my ego out the window and leave the table - unless there is a real big fish out there or lots of bad LAGs.
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:43 PM   #30
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Very good post. It took some soul-searching for me to realize what table I am looking for, because some of these "bad" players play reasonably well against me.
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Old 06-22-2008, 04:51 PM   #31
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Wow, i didn't know Pokey was still around... I read alot of the good stuff you wrote from back in the days...
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Old 06-22-2008, 05:27 PM   #32
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i play on cake and theres only ever like 8 total tables running, so i just sit on the list for all of them and try to hit the ground running
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Old 06-22-2008, 06:56 PM   #33
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Re: Introduction to Table Selection

Great post as always Pokey.

(I know this isn't what your post was about though I must say that:
- I'd much rather have a great seat at a bad table than the other way around any day of the week. And it's not even close.)
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Old 06-23-2008, 08:00 AM   #34
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Pokey, do you use some software to track tables ?

Great post by the way
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:20 AM   #35
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Getting a brand new pokey thread is like getting birthday cards through the post from the mailman

I was going to ask about the seat selection thing but you already answered it.


FWWI this s what my friend does @ uNL.

He doesn't table select per se but hunts buddies and then sits if he gets a good seat vs them and the rest of the table is o.k. both player wise and position wise.
Obviously this only works vs reg fish that come back.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:26 AM   #36
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:30 AM   #37
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Pokey, do you use some software to track tables ?
A couple months ago I bought SpadeEye. It's a really nice piece of software. It costs about $45 but it automatically datamines for you (opens maximum tables and closes dead/dying tables to reopen new ones, all according to your specifications) and it helps immensely with table selection. When you sit down for a session you fire up your casino, open SpadeEye, and hit the "Scan All Tables" button. It then goes through every player on every table and checks your PT database to see how they play. It scores them on a scale that you determine and shows you the score of every table at your level(s) at the casino. Then, you go to the high-scoring tables and look them over, sitting at the ones that look tasty to you.

For me, it was a steal at $45, but for a uNLer it might feel a bit on the pricey side. You could take it for a seven-day test spin for free or you could just do what I used to do when I played the micros:

1. Open up Poker Tracker and have it collect data.
2. Open up the maximum tables in your casino.
3. Go away for half an hour.
4. Come back and look over your tables, putting your name on the list for the ones that look good, closing the ones that look bad, and opening new tables to replace them.

It's much more hit-and-miss, but data mining at the micros is a bit more futile than it is at the SSNL games, since we get FAR more repeat customer donks than you do. Heck, it's not unusual for me to sit down at a table with a 53/25 that I've got over 1,000 hands on....They take a lickin' but they keep on tickin', somehow.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:46 AM   #38
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ehhm... I'm not sure i agree with the premise of this post... i mean in the sense of categorizing table selection by playing style... i think playing non-thinking players/unknowns is the key thing/ or known fish/...I switch betweeen LAG and NIT all the time. the most important thing in my opinion as far as table selection goes at NL25 (i can't speak for other limits) is to be playing vs unknowns with half-stacks because they are generally goin to be felting all top pairs and draws. also when playing vs . a table full of regs leave or if there is 1 reg make sure u have notes on them.
I'm like that. I look for a table with a high percentage of players seeing the flop and lots of them with medium stacks.
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:47 PM   #39
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Great thread Pokey, I just got turned on to your threads.

I was reading this thread and for the first time got a chance to see who I might be as a player, by the different descriptions that you gave of player types. Yeah, those styles have all been mentioned before, BUT only one liners and not broken down like this. It is not as easy as just looking at my stats and thinking, ok I am this type of player, up till now I was not sure what behaviors really separated different styles, and I would like to know more about those differences.

I have a request, would you at some point be interested in a even more in depth brake down of those three styles. Like, take anyone of them and take it to the point of describing how would you play what your tendency's, MINDSET and priorities are, how you most likely deal with different scenarios (pocket pairs, Ace King, SC's, Air...etc). The reason is like when we all go on some type of spiritual journey, and what we are looking for is not God but to understand ourselves, and what this thread has done for me is allowed me to start discovering myself as a player. I am such a noob, which results in a smörgåsbord of half baked styles that I'm not sure what I'm doing most of the time.

Look I play NL2 and I'm down $58 freak'en dollars. I have over 37,000 hand in my PT3 database at different levels (I finally found where I belonged, at NL2, lol), and I'm still losing. Thanks.

Example LAG I just see myself spewing tons of money with air. Bluffing only works until you get caught. If I bet hard on the flop with air and even one, let alone 2-4 players call, then I know I'm dead. So I can't see the point of LAG, just quit yet.

Anyone one else can chime in here if you like.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:54 PM   #40
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There should be some kind of feature that alerts you to when a purely awesomeness 2p2'er returns to forums and starts posting.

I'd actually be more than happy to get an SMS every time that Pokey posts anywhere in this forum.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:58 PM   #41
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Re: Introduction to Table Selection

How am I the first to say this?

tl;dr

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Old 09-07-2008, 11:24 PM   #42
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I don't know why you won't just write a book. I haven't even started this and already know it's going to be thought-provoking.
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:15 AM   #43
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Wow, first time I've seen a Pokey post for a while. He really is pretty much the best poster ever.
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:17 AM   #44
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I'd actually be more than happy to get an SMS every time that Pokey posts anywhere in this forum.
Me too.
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:18 AM   #45
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What are some good datamining tool?
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Old 09-11-2008, 11:16 PM   #46
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Bumping for awesomeness and questions. Hear me now!

Is data-mining (or getting this SapdeEye thing) the only way to table select effectively or is there a way to tell just by looking at the players per flop and average pot size stats in the poker room lobby?

Edit: Just tried searching for SpadeEye but can only find a programme called SpadeIt... is this the one we're after?!
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Old 09-11-2008, 11:21 PM   #47
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Holdem Manager/datamining is the best way imo. Also unknowns are usually good to play until proven otherwise...more likely to be some fish than a winning player who moved down
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Bumping for awesomeness and questions. Hear me now!

Edit: Just tried searching for SpadeEye but can only find a programme called SpadeIt... is this the one we're after?!

Hi.

At SpadeIt.com (http://www.spadeit.com/index.php) you will find the programs you´re looking for. 1 week free trial if I´m not missinformed.

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Old 09-12-2008, 02:17 AM   #49
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Holdem Manager/datamining is the best way imo. Also unknowns are usually good to play until proven otherwise...more likely to be some fish than a winning player who moved down

Hi.

How do you use HEM for tableselection? Do you filter for players with VPIP >40 and buddylist them, or have you found some other good feature? I´ve only used HEM for a few weeks and I haven´t found these things out yet.

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