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Old 02-21-2019, 05:41 PM   #1
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Donk lead FTW?

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
UTG ($46.6) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($17.48) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($29.67) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($25.42) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($37.6) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($25) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 32.9% | 3-Bet: 14.4% | Hands: 98618]

Dealt to Hero: 3 4

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.75, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [15.16 effective]
Flop ($1.60): 6 5 3
HERO Bets $1.05 (Rem. Stack: 23.20), CO Calls $1.05 (Rem. Stack: 27.87)

Turn ($3.70): 6 5 3 5
HERO Checks, CO Bets $2.60 (Rem. Stack: 25.27), HERO Calls $2.60 (Rem. Stack: 20.60)

River ($8.90): 6 5 3 5 4
HERO Bets $6.70
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Old 02-21-2019, 05:57 PM   #2
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

x/r seems way better than donking OTR
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Old 02-21-2019, 06:03 PM   #3
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

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x/r seems way better than donking OTR
But then we auto lose to all overpairs.
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Old 02-21-2019, 07:03 PM   #4
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

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But then we auto lose to all overpairs.
I've got bad news about how often the population is folding an overpair here
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Old 02-21-2019, 07:14 PM   #5
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How often do overpairs fold here?
I think half the combos (ones with a ) probably fold. I bet 75% pot but I think I should have Overbet here.

Do we think there are more missed FDs so we should bluff catch or bluff XR, or more overpairs?
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Old 02-21-2019, 07:15 PM   #6
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

I can't imagine anything besides A4 and busted clubs folds here often, and maybe not even A4

This is a spot where I think the board ruins our hopes of GTO glory and we just shrug and move onto better spots against a population that overcalls
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Old 02-21-2019, 07:16 PM   #7
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I've got bad news about how often the population is folding an overpair here
I think I should have donk led turn here since the 5 hits me more. Youíre probably right about checking river.

This donking strategy gets complicated very quickly.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:29 PM   #8
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

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This donking strategy gets complicated very quickly.
This. Also if you care about ranges balancing you can either limit donking for some rare exploitative spots or you better get ready for a nice headache.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:56 PM   #9
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

I don't really know what's happening on any street here.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:57 PM   #10
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This. Also if you care about ranges balancing you can either limit donking for some rare exploitative spots or you better get ready for a nice headache.
I solved this spot and GTO donks 45% of the time on this board. I actually ended up winning the hand but I think bet flop/bet turn then XR river would be the preferred line.
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:15 AM   #11
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

do you know what your flop donking range should look like? cause I've no idea

and the whole line is random af. I know most of your opp are looking at their cards first and foremost but you still need to tell some sort of a story with your line
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:37 AM   #12
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

hahaha this is a funny hand.. Were you drunk?!
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:13 AM   #13
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do you know what your flop donking range should look like? cause I've no idea

and the whole line is random af. I know most of your opp are looking at their cards first and foremost but you still need to tell some sort of a story with your line
I just recently started trying to implement donking into my game. Solvers donk some boards up to 50% of the time and this is one of them. I was having problems ranging Villain here because Iím new to this line. Villain ended up folding so I didnít get any range info.

In studying these spots Iíve noticed the 1/3 sizing is the preferred donking size.
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:13 AM   #14
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hahaha this is a funny hand.. Were you drunk?!
Lol dead sober. That probably makes it worse haha.
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:40 AM   #15
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I just recently started trying to implement donking into my game. Solvers donk some boards up to 50% of the time and this is one of them. I was having problems ranging Villain here because Iím new to this line. Villain ended up folding so I didnít get any range info.



In studying these spots Iíve noticed the 1/3 sizing is the preferred donking size.
Don't you play on Ignition? Just check in 24 hours.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:01 AM   #16
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Don't you play on Ignition? Just check in 24 hours.
Doh! I always forget to do this. They let you see non showdown hands too?
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:11 AM   #17
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Doh! I always forget to do this. They let you see non showdown hands too?
You see everything. Surprised you don't already use it for player pool analysis.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:15 AM   #18
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You see everything. Surprised you don't already use it for player pool analysis.
I donít even know where to start with player pool analysis. Iím such a HUD fish.

Do you know how to get population tendencies? Like the average 25NL zone player 3bets 8% OTB to a CO open. I remember asking BrokenStars about this awhile ago and he told me to book a coaching session lol.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:20 AM   #19
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

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I donít even know where to start with player pool analysis. Iím such a HUD fish.



Do you know how to get population tendencies? Like the average 25NL zone player 3bets 8% OTB to a CO open. I remember asking BrokenStars about this awhile ago and he told me to book a coaching session lol.
At anon zone that's easy, because all the positions in your tracker are the entire pool in the hands you play. E.g. I can see you have ~95k hands in your sample, you would have 95k hands on all the positions if you were saving the hands since you started.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:11 AM   #20
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At anon zone that's easy, because all the positions in your tracker are the entire pool in the hands you play. E.g. I can see you have ~95k hands in your sample, you would have 95k hands on all the positions if you were saving the hands since you started.
okay I am in my HUD and I see "Positions" but these "positions" are from when "I" played these positions, not population.

Here is an example:

This is my tracker of 25NL (80k hands) and it says I 3bet 21.4% from the Button. How do I get population tendency? I don't care about my own stats.

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Old 02-22-2019, 10:24 AM   #21
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

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okay I am in my HUD and I see "Positions" but these "positions" are from when "I" played these positions, not population.



Here is an example:



This is my tracker of 25NL (80k hands) and it says I 3bet 21.4% from the Button. How do I get population tendency? I don't care about my own stats.



I use HEM2, so you'd need to check the software forum on here for whatever hud you're using.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:35 AM   #22
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I use HEM2, so you'd need to check the software forum on here for whatever hud you're using.
True. Okay time to talk to Freak Daddy.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:58 AM   #23
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True. Okay time to talk to Freak Daddy.
I thought that was H2N?
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It's DriveHud.
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Old 02-22-2019, 11:41 AM   #25
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Re: I'm not a donkey I just donk a lot 25z

There are psychological reasons why checking 100% makes the game much simpler. Has something to do with our brains not liking being forced to consider multiple options and as a result it actually produces some sort of chemical that depresses you.
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