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if i turn this hand into a bluff am i overbluffing? if i turn this hand into a bluff am i overbluffing?
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08-09-2020 , 05:48 PM
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PokerStars Home Game, Hold'em No Limit - §50/§100 - 3 players
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frob2600 (BU): §14,460 (145 bb)
blobross (SB): §15,297 (153 bb)
Wxrlord (BB): §28,419 (284 bb)

Pre-Flop: (§150) Hero (Wxrlord) is BB with K♠ 9♦
1 fold, blobross (SB) raises to §300, Wxrlord (BB) calls §200

Flop: (§600) 9♠ 2♣ A♥ (2 players)
blobross (SB) bets §425, Wxrlord (BB) calls §425

Turn: (§1,450) 3♥ (2 players)
blobross (SB) bets §1,500, Wxrlord (BB) calls §1,500

River: (§4,450) 4♦ (2 players)
blobross (SB) checks, Wxrlord (BB) bets §4,205, blobross (SB) calls §4,205

Total pot: §12,860 (Rake: §707)

Showdown:
Wxrlord (BB) shows K♠ 9♦ (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 37%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

blobross (SB) shows J♠ A♣ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 63%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

blobross (SB) wins §12,153
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08-09-2020 , 09:39 PM
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Xlord the wc3 legend? x river
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08-09-2020 , 10:10 PM
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dont see any reason to bluff this hand
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08-09-2020 , 11:46 PM
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I know it's a PokerStars LOLhome game, but absent reads I would seriously consider folding the turn. The villain is betting pot, and we are drawing to five outs. (If they are bluffing, well, nice bluff. But this sort of spot is vastly underbluffed by the sort of people who play PokerStars LOLhome games.)

With the river card making a one-liner to a five, the only way to block the straight is to actually have it. so bluffing seems like really a bad idea. (What fives are we going to have except for A5, 54, or 65?) Our hand is a bluff-catcher. Villain checked the river. We should check behind and see whether or not we win.
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08-10-2020 , 01:08 AM
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Yes
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08-10-2020 , 01:15 AM
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so what are my bluffs on the river then?
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08-10-2020 , 01:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanBostick
I know it's a PokerStars LOLhome game, but absent reads I would seriously consider folding the turn. The villain is betting pot, and we are drawing to five outs. (If they are bluffing, well, nice bluff. But this sort of spot is vastly underbluffed by the sort of people who play PokerStars LOLhome games.)

With the river card making a one-liner to a five, the only way to block the straight is to actually have it. so bluffing seems like really a bad idea. (What fives are we going to have except for A5, 54, or 65?) Our hand is a bluff-catcher. Villain checked the river. We should check behind and see whether or not we win.
I could also take this line with two pair which I probably have an advantage in. also what hands should turn into a bluff besides 9x then? because I should have some value some sets some straights (we have a 5x advantage) and two pair. like isn't this bottom of my range on this river so shouldn't I bluff it to have some bluffs when I bet the river? also the only hand we beat is missed hearts. also if im folding all my 9x on the turn am I not overfolding?
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08-10-2020 , 02:15 AM
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in hindsight after reviewing this hand I should bluff missed flush draws
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08-10-2020 , 09:15 AM
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Turn should be fold, we have enough Ax and pair plus draw combos to defend, once we call riv is fine, we block 99 AK A9 and we dont block flush draw
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08-10-2020 , 09:25 AM
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can fold turn
yes, bluff non made hands (hearts)
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08-10-2020 , 06:25 PM
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the 'am I overbluffing' question is a 'write out my range and count combos' question, or even a 'run a sim' question, not an 'ask 2p2' question since we don't know how you play flop/turn with your range

I suspect the answer is 'yes' though

exploitatively relevant whether this is a real money game - if this is effectively a home game I'd post hand in LLSNL instead
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08-10-2020 , 09:54 PM
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Quote:
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the 'am I overbluffing' question is a 'write out my range and count combos' question, or even a 'run a sim' question, not an 'ask 2p2' question since we don't know how you play flop/turn with your range
I hereby award you the ears and the tail.
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08-10-2020 , 10:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPoker111
dont see any reason to bluff this hand
^^^^^^
This
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08-10-2020 , 10:09 PM
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Also even if we were to bluff 9x, this would be the last 9x we would use since it wins more often at SD over weaker 9x.
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