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I wonder if this is profitable? 25z BTNvsBB I wonder if this is profitable? 25z BTNvsBB

01-21-2019 , 01:36 PM
1) Flop i think is standard, could definitely X back sometimes as well but as a default I'd prefer a bet.

2) I bet the turn because the was the Ace, that cuts down so much on his flush combos. I also liked that the J and 8 were out there as opposed to something like a 2 and 3 because it makes flushes less likely

3) OTR well - bottom of my range lol. I think I like an overbet in retrospect but oh well. Thoughts?

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
CO ($80.8) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($27.84) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 21% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 14.5% | Hands: 57425]
SB ($22.75) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BB ($25.55) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($25.52) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($47.64) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: 7 9

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [15.5 effective]
Flop ($1.60): J 6 8
BB Checks, HERO Bets $1.05 (Rem. Stack: 26.04), BB Calls $1.05 (Rem. Stack: 23.75)

Turn ($3.70): J 6 8 A
BB Checks, HERO Bets $2.35 (Rem. Stack: 23.69), BB Calls $2.35 (Rem. Stack: 21.40)

River ($8.40): J 6 8 A 4
BB Checks, HERO Bets $6.20
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01-21-2019 , 02:07 PM
Nh.
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01-21-2019 , 02:08 PM
This seems very similar to the c/o vs bb hand you posted. This looks like a wp hand. I also think an overbet is best for reasons mentioned in that thread.
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01-21-2019 , 03:33 PM
Lotta fish defend bb by flatting, whereas regs tend to 3bet. I'd be nervous he's a fish here, but vs reg I think its fine.
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01-21-2019 , 03:38 PM
I probably just x turn with this combo, I really just don't like bluffing with hands (with no relevant blockers) where the best case scenario is making like the 10th nuts. Betting small OTT is also OK with hands like this because we have a decent range advantage with the A and we don't really wanna play a huge pot with this hand.

I also like betting large on the river, but I don't like it without a spade. You've got plenty of spade combos to do it with: QsTx, Ts9x, KsQx probably take this line somewhat often. So often, in fact, that you have to be careful not to overbluff

Last edited by JohnRusty; 01-21-2019 at 04:05 PM.
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01-21-2019 , 06:01 PM
My solver doesnt 'love' barrelling turn, and 100% does not bluff the river with this combo.
They bluff with T9,QT,KT,KQ otr using the combos with a spades.

I think oop is overfolding turn quite a bit which annoys me slightly since they will get to the river stronger than optimal. That being said, I still think its fine esp. on anon table.

But like JR said, this is a significant overbluff... Just be aware of it...
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01-21-2019 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
My solver doesnt 'love' barrelling turn, and 100% does not bluff the river with this combo.
They bluff with T9,QT,KT,KQ otr using the combos with a spades.

I think oop is overfolding turn quite a bit which annoys me slightly since they will get to the river stronger than optimal. That being said, I still think its fine esp. on anon table.

But like JR said, this is a significant overbluff... Just be aware of it...
Thanks Chips! Okay I’m noticing a common theme with these bluffs here . Yeah eventually when I start playing non anonymous tables I think that is one of my biggest fears, to be overbluffing too much.

Chips what Solver do you use?
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01-22-2019 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Thanks Chips! Okay I’m noticing a common theme with these bluffs here . Yeah eventually when I start playing non anonymous tables I think that is one of my biggest fears, to be overbluffing too much.

Chips what Solver do you use?
pio
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01-22-2019 , 06:43 AM
I thought pio used Chips, not the other way around

DD, I think you can 3 barrel these runouts way more than you're supposed to when bb just x/c flop and turn

I bet 75% river as well, but mby overbet makes more money, idk
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01-22-2019 , 07:40 AM
x turn
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01-22-2019 , 02:17 PM
I had a similar spot come up this morning and thought of this hand. I think if we are taking this line with sets, 2 pair and 57s we can have a few more bluffs that don't polarize our range otr like we would with an overbet with nutted hands/nut blockers, particularly in these positions.

Also, using hands that don't block spades gives V the chance of having a hand like QsJx,KsTx that decided to float flop that can't call 3 streets and will fold to a smaller size.

Just my two cents.
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