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I have no clue how to play preflop I have no clue how to play preflop

05-06-2021 , 05:14 PM
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HJ ($12.35)
CO ($5.99)
BTN ($5)
HERO ($5.02)
BB ($4.67)
UTG ($5.46)

Dealt to Hero: 9 9

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.45, BTN Folds, HERO ?
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05-06-2021 , 07:54 PM
Its between call and fold, in which cases I default to folding.

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05-06-2021 , 09:00 PM
Just take 0 EV line and rather focus on important stuff.
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05-07-2021 , 12:57 AM
Why are they 9x at your table?

1. Call, and be prepared for a fight. 3bet hand, fold. These guys seem aggressive.

2. Find another table.
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05-07-2021 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
1. Call, and be prepared for a fight. 3bet hand, fold. These guys seem aggressive.
idk how you could possibly make that assumption with a complete lack of stats

Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureInsights
2. Find another table.
How often do you leave tables that have a very obvious fish?
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05-07-2021 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
idk how you could possibly make that assumption with a complete lack of stats



How often do you leave tables that have a very obvious fish?
Your back. If he uses hud, he has stats. This is not a fast fold table (as far as I can tell).

By the looks of the folds, this is not a fishy table.
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05-07-2021 , 04:37 AM
Always only calling with fish on bb, unless co is so loose that we are comfortable shoving or calling vs 4bet, with BB being decent i think you can call,. fold and 3bet
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05-07-2021 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Your back. If he uses hud, he has stats. This is not a fast fold table (as far as I can tell).

By the looks of the folds, this is not a fishy table.
The fact that almost everyone has 100bb is a decent sign that this is a fast fold table.
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05-07-2021 , 10:25 AM
Ahh, the old standard 9x open. Could be tilt, could be misclick, could be V trying to "take it down now" with 44 - who knows. In general you'll see a surprising amount of random hands here.

With 10 bb in the middle, IMO best course of action is 3b/c or fold. 99 is a borderline hand - in general I'd 3b/c TT+, AQ+ and fold everything else without any recent info on villain. The preference for AQ over 99 is because TT-JJ is over represented with the huge open.
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05-07-2021 , 11:59 AM
Without reads, I would call.

Seen people open this size with hands like AQs AA but also with 63s etc

Also people who does this are not great poker players so even though we are oop postflop I think calling pre is fine.

Last edited by Swedishmonkey; 05-07-2021 at 12:08 PM.
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05-07-2021 , 12:06 PM
I just fold. This pool is so bad I'm just waiting for better spots. Like if we're against a very competent pool (blitz for example) I take the higher variance path but against this omegalul pool I just sit back and wait for better spots.
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05-07-2021 , 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureInsights
By the looks of the folds, this is not a fishy table.
wat
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05-07-2021 , 05:18 PM
Assuming since this is the second similar one you were just at a table with a player that's like this

Homie saying leave the table has got it ass backwards. Buy back in after he busts you.
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05-09-2021 , 06:46 PM
I feel like you either have to commit to stacking off, or fold.

Calling doesn't make sense against this size. Set mining is very thin at this SPR, and I don't expect to realize much equity otherwise.

3b/folding might be okay in theory, but probably backfires exploitatively.

Why does this remind me of another one of your posts, Doodoo?

Last edited by tombos21; 05-09-2021 at 06:53 PM.
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05-09-2021 , 10:05 PM
Does anyone know how to play against a 9x open ? Agree with the post above me raise or fold. Just calling a raise that big with 9s seems wrong. Actually should we even have a calling range at all versus a 9x open?

Last edited by dude45; 05-09-2021 at 10:10 PM. Reason: Typo
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05-09-2021 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dude45
Does anyone know how to play against a 9x open ? Agree with the post above me raise or fold. Just calling a raise that big with 9s seems wrong. Actually should we even have a calling range at all versus a 9x open?
I have gone over a few hundred hands in my 5nl database, and a few hundred in my 25nl, plus a few hundred in my 50nl.

I don't see these 9x raises yet. I have too many hands to go through.

If, the ranges are anecdotally equivalent to what DooDoo has posted, then yes, you should call. I don't see AA, KK, QQ, JJ in those ranges. I see middle pairs, and someone with higher broadway Ax trying to be aggressive.

If you feel better, reserve your 3bet range for calling the 9x open. Otherwise, I treat it as the higher end of my flatting range.
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05-10-2021 , 01:25 AM
Click it back.
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05-10-2021 , 07:26 AM
doesnt matter at all as this normally never happens again...
Jam, fold or call - nobody knows it....
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05-10-2021 , 07:47 AM
Seen as the sizing is something you'd usually face vs a 3bet, my preference would go towards using the ranges you'd use when in CO and facing a BU 3bet. Clearly, the situation is different as you have a lot worse odds on a call, but, this sizing is fishy as f**k, and I highly doubt it is part of a carefully thought out strategy. So, I feel like those factors put together mean that playing this spot as if facing a 3bet oop vs a relatively wide 3bet range will be a decent way to play it. Not perfect by any means, but a decent heuristic.
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05-10-2021 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeItiletyou
Just take 0 EV line and rather focus on important stuff.
This is correct.

Spots that feel borderline can also be an indication that you wouldn't be as comfortable or familiar for the rest of the hand. It isn't the hair slicing preflop that is important, it is which decision can balloon into larger mistakes from there on.
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05-10-2021 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DustyRugs
Click it back.
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Originally Posted by Karo99
doesnt matter at all as this normally never happens again...
Jam, fold or call - nobody knows it....
Something in between these two. FWIW I'd be more inclined to get involved with the AJs hand than the 99, and I'd probably be making it a small 3bet/clickback to knock out the BB, but ultimately it's no great shakes and folding both is absolutely fine until more info comes along, if he has managed to make a couple of cheap BBs then good for him
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05-10-2021 , 04:29 PM
Just get PF charts, they are everywhere. 99 is bottom of range where you are supposed to 3-bet. But I get it, it's hard to play bottom of range so maybe for now you want to fold and as you get better and more comfortable you can add this hand in 3 bet range.

I noticed some people are saying call, most theory says that you either 3-bet or fold in SB but I get it if we are playing lower stakes chances that BB 3 bets are slim, but there have got to be better flats than 99. You are just so dominated a lot of the time you are really only hoping for a set with a flat, 99 should be a raise or fold, that way you can get a lot of hands that have good equity against you out of the way like T8s, JTo, QTo, KTo, KJo.
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05-10-2021 , 05:40 PM
don't call...
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05-10-2021 , 07:11 PM
idk
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