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I don't do checks! 3 street 3 way river bluff overbet I don't do checks! 3 street 3 way river bluff overbet

12-15-2018 , 01:47 AM
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HERO ($24.31) [VPIP: 26.8% | PFR: 22.4% | AGG: 32.2% | 3-Bet: 11% | Hands: 42530]
SB ($10.05) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 39.2% | 3-Bet: 6% | Hands: 2598]
BB ($17.14) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 22% | AGG: 39.6% | 3-Bet: 7.9% | Hands: 3651]
UTG ($14.46) [VPIP: 23.6% | PFR: 17.6% | AGG: 33.6% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | Hands: 2577]
HJ ($9.38) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 14.9% | AGG: 30.4% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 90]
CO ($4.60) [VPIP: 33.8% | PFR: 25.4% | AGG: 34.5% | 3-Bet: 17.2% | Hands: 75]

Dealt to Hero: T J

UTG Raises To $0.30, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Calls $0.30, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [14.91 effective]
Flop ($0.95): Q Q 3
BB Checks, UTG Checks, HERO Bets $0.60 (Rem. Stack: 23.41), BB Calls $0.60 (Rem. Stack: 16.24), UTG Calls $0.60 (Rem. Stack: 13.56)

Turn ($2.75): Q Q 3 7
BB Checks, UTG Checks, HERO Bets $1.80 (Rem. Stack: 21.61), BB Folds, UTG Calls $1.80 (Rem. Stack: 11.76)

River ($6.35): Q Q 3 7 8
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $21.61 (allin)
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12-15-2018 , 01:50 AM
You could accomplish the same river fold for a PSB and save when he traps you.
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12-15-2018 , 01:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bfskinner
You could accomplish the same river fold for a PSB and save when he traps you.
AA/KK calls to a PSB
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12-15-2018 , 01:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
AA/KK calls to a PSB
If you are consistently playing to get AA, KK to fold on low limits, you will lose a lot of money in the long run.
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12-15-2018 , 02:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bfskinner
You could accomplish the same river fold for a PSB and save when he traps you.
^^^^^^

DDP, I'm aware you realize this, but you're way overbluffing here when using combos like this.
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12-15-2018 , 04:56 AM
When V calls 2 bets from someone betting into a MW pot on a QQ3 flop their range is going to be pretty strong. How much of this do you honestly think theyre folding? I'd be surprised if they even have AA/KK by the river with a huge frequency

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12-15-2018 , 05:10 AM
u done did it again
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12-15-2018 , 07:49 AM
I would definitely underbluff paired boards at the micros- they love pressing that call button. Focus more on fundamentals and less on bluffing people off made hands I say. I can understand because it’s more fun double overbet jamming rivers with J high etc. but people don’t like to fold made hands enough at the micros.
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12-15-2018 , 08:52 AM
Don't think jam is necessary but bluffing combo is good. That being said -- I'm bluffing river about 0% of the time here for the same reason you're probably posting this.
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12-15-2018 , 09:12 AM
Most important state for me in such situations is WTSD - if its low -> shove
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12-15-2018 , 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Don't think jam is necessary but bluffing combo is good. That being said -- I'm bluffing river about 0% of the time here for the same reason you're probably posting this.
No he folded. Sometimes I post winners!

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HERO ($24.31) [VPIP: 26.8% | PFR: 22.4% | AGG: 32.2% | 3-Bet: 11% | Hands: 42701]
SB ($10.05) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 38.1% | 3-Bet: 6.1% | Hands: 2703]
BB ($17.14) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 21.9% | AGG: 39.2% | 3-Bet: 7.8% | Hands: 3761]
UTG ($14.46) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 17.4% | AGG: 33.2% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | Hands: 2682]
HJ ($9.38) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 14.9% | AGG: 30.4% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 90]
CO ($4.60) [VPIP: 41.6% | PFR: 31.8% | AGG: 33.7% | 3-Bet: 26% | Hands: 179]

Dealt to Hero: T J

UTG Raises To $0.30, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Calls $0.30, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [14.91 effective]
Flop ($0.95): Q Q 3
BB Checks, UTG Checks, HERO Bets $0.60 (Rem. Stack: 23.41), BB Calls $0.60 (Rem. Stack: 16.24), UTG Calls $0.60 (Rem. Stack: 13.56)

Turn ($2.75): Q Q 3 7
BB Checks, UTG Checks, HERO Bets $1.80 (Rem. Stack: 21.61), BB Folds, UTG Calls $1.80 (Rem. Stack: 11.76)

River ($6.35): Q Q 3 7 8
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $21.61 (allin), UTG Folds

Spoiler:

HERO wins: $6.04

Last edited by DooDooPoker; 12-15-2018 at 09:43 AM.
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12-15-2018 , 09:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wacker1913
Most important state for me in such situations is WTSD - if its low -> shove
Good point. I had a coaching session yesterday and realized I need to utilize my HUD stats a lot more
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12-15-2018 , 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by .isolated
^^^^^^

DDP, I'm aware you realize this, but you're way overbluffing here when using combos like this.
Which combos are better? I can bluff here here around 40% of the time here in theory.

2x pot + 2x pot + pot = Villain has to call 2/5 to break even. I can have AQo,KQs,QJs,QTs so 14 combos times so 5.6 bluffs.

I think this is the best bluff candidate because I have BDFD OTF. So if I bluff every ATdd,AJdd,,KJdd,KTdd,JTdd I’m actually under bluffing by .6 combos!

Also I’ll 3bet the less connected hands more preflop so maybe discount some of these.

I guess if I do this with every Suited Broadway combo with BDFD ill be overbluffing. Not sure how to choose one over the other.

Let's say I 3bet ATdd/AJdd and call with KJdd/KTdd/JTdd then KJcc/KTcc/JTcc and KJss/KTss/JTss: that's 9 combos. Damn i am overbluffing hah

Last edited by DooDooPoker; 12-15-2018 at 09:47 AM.
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12-16-2018 , 12:09 AM
I think that's fair when thinking about your range, now think about what range call call folds 3-way and whether or not you're incentivized to bluff at all
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12-16-2018 , 01:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
I think that's fair when thinking about your range, now think about what range call call folds 3-way and whether or not you're incentivized to bluff at all
his folding range is probably TT/JJ (which i block) and AA/KK.

calling range =
QQ = 1 combo
AQ 8 combo
KQ 8 combo
QJs: 1 combo
QTs: 1 combo

so he has 19 combos of calls and 18 combos of folds. but he always plays TT-AA like this and doesn't always play Qx like this.

i dont mind the bluff. Should do it with a hand like AJhh/dd/KJs/hh/dd next time to cut down on those offsuit calling combos and increase folding combos

If i do it with a hand like AJhh

Calling combos go to this:
QQ 1
AQ 6
KQ 8
QJs 1
JTs 1

Folding combos open since I block AA and unblock TT
TT 6
JJ 3
KK 6
AA 3

So call combos are 17vs18

bluff needs to work 40% of the time, this will work ~50% so its slightly profitable.
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12-16-2018 , 05:42 AM
what makes you think he folds AA and KK?
also he has 33/77 for all you know

Last edited by ionutd; 12-16-2018 at 06:04 AM.
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12-16-2018 , 06:50 AM
Just remember to think about things from the other point of view ... You should first decide whether or not you're incentivized to be bluffing at all.
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12-16-2018 , 09:42 AM
And from the other perspective, try to calc the best value size when you have Q/sets. Calc EV for multiple sizings, starting from low, and recalculating on tresholds where you think villain is gonna fold some part of his range, like overpairs or smth. To the point where with given sizing you can't beat 50% of villains range. Because in decent amount of pots your sizings make no sense, I mean you wouldn't ever play valuehand this way. On NL10 it gets through easily, but on higher limits ppl are gonna catch you on that. I would think my timebank here thinking whether to call 99 or not. You dont rep overpairs, you don't rep Q, you don't rep 88, so MAYBE you can play 33 this way, or spiked 7 on turn.
You are developing yourself a pretty bad habit which will backfire at you.
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