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How to play JJ-QQ/AK vs UTG/HJ open?

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03-19-2018 , 11:17 AM

HB10_BabyMama

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Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 9

2nl 6-max 100bb effective stack, UTG/HJ opener is unknown and it is folded to me holding JJ-QQ/AK:

a. is it profitable to 3b or just call?

b. if I 3b and villain 4b, is it profitable to flat or 5b shove? or I should just 3b/fold?

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03-19-2018 , 11:28 AM

Feng Shui

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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 595

Here are some basic ranges for micros to get you started. Just tinker with them until your happy, and adjust as you gain more experience.

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/...=309916&page=1

Last edited by Feng Shui; 03-19-2018 at 11:41 AM.

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03-19-2018 , 11:32 AM

CrazyAndy27s

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I tend to just 3bet and call 4bet as default.

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03-19-2018 , 11:38 AM

dblrun

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Originally Posted by CrazyAndy27s

I tend to just 3bet and call 4bet as default.

+1. 3bet just too isolate if nothing else. These hands play way better heads up and with shallow SPR

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03-19-2018 , 11:39 AM

Feng Shui

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I'm not a fan of calling 4bets 100bb deep not as a default line. Id need info to want to do so. And set mining 4bet pots isn't profitable so it's not a good plan with hands like JJ QQ if we want to fold the flop vs a cbet. And AK doesn't realize much of it's equity like that either preflop or postflop.

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03-19-2018 , 11:40 AM

CrazyAndy27s

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They’re all making money as a 4bet flat for me. You don’t need to setmine, they’ll bluff off enough of the time in my opinion.

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03-19-2018 , 12:15 PM

IClickButtons

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I think 3-bet fold is the worst option with those hands as a default strategy.

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03-19-2018 , 12:27 PM

Feng Shui

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In games where people call 3bets very wide and only really 4bet KK+ for value from ep it's a great strategy. But in general id agree that 3bet folding those hands isn't the best option. Id usually just be 5betting ai with those hands rather than calling 4bets with them. And in some cases i think they can make better flats pre from say the bb vs ep in a hu pot.

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03-19-2018 , 12:27 PM

JamesBJames

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Sometimes I flat JJ against an UTG open. Basically always 3-bet the rest.

Not a fan of 3b/f in general.

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03-19-2018 , 12:39 PM

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CrazyAndy27s

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I mean, as soon as they ever 4bet AKo, you can profitably call here in my opinion.

But I can understand that the ranges are very narrow and it’s dicey to play post. If you’re going to play fit or fold post then shoving is probably better.

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03-19-2018 , 12:39 PM

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Feng Shui

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^^^^If you 3bet JJ QQ and get 4bet btn vs utg for instance how do you play them ? . My only issue is with playing them vs a 4bet as a pure set mine , not with calling the 4bet and playing the hands . I've seen a few threads recently with people advocating calling the 4bet as a pure set mine because of preflop odds. I don't think that can be correct though. In general though i think flatting 4bets vs ep with JJ QQ AK is ok.

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03-19-2018 , 12:43 PM

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CrazyAndy27s

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I play them in terms of an optimal defence- so post I’m assuming they have bluffs and am stacking off on low boards as default.

I think ever trying to setmine here is daft- I’m purely seeing it from a range and defence perspective.

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03-19-2018 , 12:47 PM

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SharkytheFish

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I may flat a utg raise with JJ but the rest of these hands are auto 3bets. With regard to action facing a 4bet it is opponent specific. Im 5 bet stacking off with AA/KK and probably QQ as well. Mostly calling a 4bet with AK/JJ.

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