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04-27-2019 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bearer
So to summarise you're saying capable minds shouldn't maximally push edges, because you yourself find it exhausting? Trust solver disciples to feel emboldened to tell talented learners to stop trying to be great.

The solution at 5nl is not to stop thinking, the solution is to cut tables, think through all decisions until you get good enough to never have to grind raketraps like 5nl.

Every single PIO river output is tainted if it's not node locked to reflect the pathological passivity of micro stakes pops. To stay faithful to default solutions is to leave actual money on the table. To not exploit their global errors is to leave your brain on the table.
Your opinion is super discounted after you constantly agree with awful advice. Then try to back track and pretend to drop knowledge with these posts. It is quite hilarious
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04-27-2019 , 09:13 AM
Your opinion is super discounted because you were chased out of the 25NL streets down to 5NL.

I'm only checking for 5NL grinders who are on the up and up.
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04-27-2019 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cardbrute
That's not what I'm saying at all, not even close.

If you're statement was remotely true then most of the uNL dwellers would be in midstakes.
My post is applicable to learners with as yet unknown ceilings. If you're addressing "dwellers" then fair enough. Because it's a bit much, arrogant even, to tell a learning/newer player things like if they think too much they will tilt. Tilt is an individual-specific emotional flaw, nobody has the right to project their own flaws onto others.

I agree that Chips is an excellent poster.
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04-27-2019 , 10:21 AM
I don't know how many times I've said this, but I'll say it again:

When we play poker we construct all sorts of narratives about our opponents. We say this guy opens too much, this guy calls too much, this guy 3-bets too much. At the extremes, that's kind of easy to spot; that 64/48 guy isn't playing full ring well. The problem is that at a certain point it becomes absurd to say "this guy 3-bets too much" if we don't know what the right amount to 3-bet even is. And if we want to exploit the guy that 3-bets too much, that's even more absurd because now we're trying to properly calculate how much to veer away from an unknown point.

I'm all for exploiting people as much as we can, and I'm one for sniffing at solvers a little, but as games get tougher it's silly to sit there and think it's a bad idea to build a solid baseline for your play.
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04-27-2019 , 10:42 AM
I'd like to point out that even if villain underdefends against ovb, it might still be best to ovb.
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Originally Posted by bearer
I agree that Chips is an excellent poster.
+1

Last edited by Ojune; 04-27-2019 at 10:53 AM.
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04-27-2019 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bearer
Your opinion is super discounted because you were chased out of the 25NL streets down to 5NL.

I'm only checking for 5NL grinders who are on the up and up.
Wrong again. You're 0 for 3 in this thread.

Your linear thought process is on display here. And it continues to lead you to the wrong conclusion.
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04-27-2019 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
I'm all for exploiting people as much as we can, and I'm one for sniffing at solvers a little, but as games get tougher it's silly to sit there and think it's a bad idea to build a solid baseline for your play.
Nobody has begun to suggest this isn't a good idea. People are just mad that default strat doesn't align perfectly with a solver output.

Team Exploit's strat is often far simpler than Team Random Number Generator's. So in this example, the default exploitative strat is to bet river because small stakes pops are likely to underbluff and under value bet this river spot, just like they usually do.

I use PIO btw, I like solvers and believe in solvers. I use equilibrium outputs to see just how deviant the fun players are which gives license to transfer many mixed strat hands to pure strats. There will be people who don't use solvers who will be smart enough to make such an obvious adjustment as always betting the nuts here without a computer game telling them so, let's not hate on thinking.

Last edited by bearer; 04-27-2019 at 11:47 AM.
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04-28-2019 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bearer
My post is applicable to learners with as yet unknown ceilings. If you're addressing "dwellers" then fair enough. Because it's a bit much, arrogant even, to tell a learning/newer player things like if they think too much they will tilt. Tilt is an individual-specific emotional flaw, nobody has the right to project their own flaws onto others.

I agree that Chips is an excellent poster.
This is not what I'm saying at all and is a straw man argument. It might be that I failed to explain it clearly in my original post.

Let's agree to disagree. I may come across as blunt or condescending at times but I genuinely like helping people and seeing others do well. I got a lot out of uNL years ago and wanted to give back.

That said, there's just a lot of **** attitudes in uNL these day's and I cbf spending any more time here. So gl I'm out. peace.
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