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how to i get the most value here? how to i get the most value here?

06-14-2021 , 02:47 AM
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bet or c/r?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 145.2 BB
Hero (BB): 125.12 BB
UTG: 101.8 BB
MP: 101.4 BB
CO: 92.52 BB
BTN: 110.96 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, CO calls 3 BB

Flop: (8.4 BB, 2 players) 9 Q T
Hero bets 5.32 BB, CO calls 5.32 BB

Turn: (19.04 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 13 BB, CO calls 13 BB

River: (45.04 BB, 2 players) Q
[color=red]Hero
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06-14-2021 , 03:00 AM
Shove may be a bit optimistic since you block everything good villain may have, I'd probably go for a 25-30bb bet. A straight villain is probably raising on turn when there are two flushdraws and you block the nutflush, unless it is exactly KdJd or KhJh. I like a 30bb bet.
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06-14-2021 , 03:41 AM
I like a shove. Villain limped in with a broken stack and has happily called 2 largish bets on a scary board. This doesn't seem like a player who can get away from Qx, and ya never know... maybe they call with something absurd. I doubt this player plays much differently vs. a shove or a 3/4 pot bet.
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06-14-2021 , 07:35 AM
There is not going to be 1 correct answer to this question because so much of it depends upon what actual hand your villain holds and how fishy your villain is.

If your villain holds 99 for a worse FH, then by all means, go ahead and shove.
If your villain was drawing at a straight and missed, then shoving doesn't get you any additional value.

If your villain is fishy enough to call an all-in with just top pair on this soaking wet board, then go ahead and shove.
if your villain is conservative enough to fold a made, small-flush like 67dd to an all in, then whatever you do, don't go all in, bet smaller.

It is a game of imperfect information so we can't definitively answer how to get the most value in this particular spot.

If it were me, personally, I'd lead out again much the same way you did on the previous two streets, for half pot+ and hope he made his flush and wants to raise me.
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06-14-2021 , 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnum1111
There is not going to be 1 correct answer to this question because so much of it depends upon what actual hand your villain holds and how fishy your villain is.

If your villain holds 99 for a worse FH, then by all means, go ahead and shove.
If your villain was drawing at a straight and missed, then shoving doesn't get you any additional value.

If your villain is fishy enough to call an all-in with just top pair on this soaking wet board, then go ahead and shove.
if your villain is conservative enough to fold a made, small-flush like 67dd to an all in, then whatever you do, don't go all in, bet smaller.

It is a game of imperfect information so we can't definitively answer how to get the most value in this particular spot.

If it were me, personally, I'd lead out again much the same way you did on the previous two streets, for half pot+ and hope he made his flush and wants to raise me.
good point
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06-14-2021 , 12:05 PM
Just don't check.
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06-14-2021 , 01:19 PM
Bigger bigger shove vs fish
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06-14-2021 , 02:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnum1111
There is not going to be 1 correct answer to this question because so much of it depends upon what actual hand your villain holds and how fishy your villain is.

If your villain holds 99 for a worse FH, then by all means, go ahead and shove.
If your villain was drawing at a straight and missed, then shoving doesn't get you any additional value.

If your villain is fishy enough to call an all-in with just top pair on this soaking wet board, then go ahead and shove.
if your villain is conservative enough to fold a made, small-flush like 67dd to an all in, then whatever you do, don't go all in, bet smaller.

It is a game of imperfect information so we can't definitively answer how to get the most value in this particular spot.

If it were me, personally, I'd lead out again much the same way you did on the previous two streets, for half pot+ and hope he made his flush and wants to raise me.
Like this play. If villain made flush, they are likely to shove vs /12 pot bet. A shove, not many will call. Value bet is for value, and shove is not value bet.
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06-15-2021 , 02:28 PM
Shove all in, of course. Betting something like half the pot with this is very weak in my opinion. If people aren't calling enough of your all ins with strong hands, you need to bluff all in more with air. They'll start calling.

The other option is checking. You can get weak hands to bluff and try to represent the Queen. They also might value bet a flush etc. and also, it's important to have a small trapping frequency so that your opponent will not have a green light to run you over when you check upon the flush or trips hitting. It's especially good to check here because you're blocking so much of the calling range with your hand.

I'd probably use an RNG at 70-30 for all in vs check. If you didn't block the ace the checking frequency would be much lower.
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06-15-2021 , 05:17 PM
Vs limper who is obviously a weaker player bigger pre, bigger flop, bigger turn, shove river. Anything else is leaving money on the table. As played shove river, he’s a weaker player and I think it’s unlikely he folds a flush or straight.
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06-18-2021 , 01:48 PM
I'm shoving and hope his combo draw came in
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06-21-2021 , 07:06 AM
Horible played:

1.raise 7x pre hes a fish, this or 6x is perfect size tht can get some folds aswell plus u get calls plenty anyway
2.check flop on this board, if u bet and get raised here ur fkd, inflating pot oop is not best ev line vs the fish with marginal strong hand. A lot of ev will come fromletting him bluff and getting info vs casual, casuals will tell u what they have v often with their betsize timing etc.

Stop betting liberally oop vs casuals on connected boards like these unless u have a straight or some other imba hand. Play good poker, check get info, act accordingly after
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