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02-19-2019 , 11:45 AM
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NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
HERO ($27.13) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 32.8% | 3-Bet: 14.3% | Hands: 94607]
BB ($16.05) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($42.26) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($31.76) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($15.52) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($42.9) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: J K

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.50, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $2.25, BB Folds, HJ Calls $1.75

Hero SPR on Flop: [5.24 effective]
Flop ($4.75): T 6 5
HERO Bets $2.37 (Rem. Stack: 22.51), HJ Calls $2.37 (Rem. Stack: 27.14)

Turn ($9.49): T 6 5 J
HERO Bets $6.24 (Rem. Stack: 16.27), HJ Raises To $12.48 (Rem. Stack: 14.66), HERO ?
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02-19-2019 , 12:17 PM
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I mean how does he not have us crushed here? It’s so nutted it’s ridiculous. I think cbet is definitely wp with 2 overs and backdoor hearts and turn we need to charge draws and value bet Tx. I want to call for the price but it’s a super awkward spot
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02-19-2019 , 12:18 PM
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Are you 3betting because of the min open? I would just default to calling with the broken stack in the BB rather then play a bloated pot OOP vs a calling range that we are not doing well against.

AP, looks like a shove. There are enough gut shots, open enders, and flush draws in his range that we just want to GII or deny equity and the pot is already too big to fold. That J doesn't improve very many hands in his range. 1 combo of JJ and JTs each, seems unlikely a fish would raise AJ.
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02-19-2019 , 12:25 PM
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I mean how does he not have us crushed here? It’s so nutted it’s ridiculous. I think cbet is definitely wp with 2 overs and backdoor hearts and turn we need to charge draws and value bet Tx. I want to call for the price but it’s a super awkward spot
Yeah I feel like these spots are nutted as well. Not sure what to do though, exploit fold? My hand is pretty strong though.
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02-19-2019 , 12:26 PM
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Are you 3betting because of the min open? I would just default to calling with the broken stack in the BB rather then play a bloated pot OOP vs a calling range that we are not doing well against.

AP, looks like a shove. There are enough gut shots, open enders, and flush draws in his range that we just want to GII or deny equity and the pot is already too big to fold. That J doesn't improve very many hands in his range. 1 combo of JJ and JTs each, seems unlikely a fish would raise AJ.
Initially I thought this but then when are click backs ever draws
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02-19-2019 , 12:26 PM
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Are you 3betting because of the min open? I would just default to calling with the broken stack in the BB rather then play a bloated pot OOP vs a calling range that we are not doing well against.

AP, looks like a shove. There are enough gut shots, open enders, and flush draws in his range that we just want to GII or deny equity and the pot is already too big to fold. That J doesn't improve very many hands in his range. 1 combo of JJ and JTs each, seems unlikely a fish would raise AJ.
I don’t have an SB calling range for the most part. I suppose I could call to keep the fish in but my default is a 3bet.
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02-19-2019 , 12:57 PM
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I don’t have an SB calling range for the most part. I suppose I could call to keep the fish in but my default is a 3bet.
My take is that given we don't have stats on Ignition, stack size is one of the few preflop fish indicators we can get. Given the min-open, I think we can flat and go multi-way with 2 fish at a high frequency with a hand doing well against both ranges. We can feast on implied odds and retain most of our fold equity on later streets the times they are weak or miss. When we narrow HJ's range we increase our reverse implied odds.
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02-19-2019 , 03:13 PM
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My take is that given we don't have stats on Ignition, stack size is one of the few preflop fish indicators we can get. Given the min-open, I think we can flat and go multi-way with 2 fish at a high frequency with a hand doing well against both ranges. We can feast on implied odds and retain most of our fold equity on later streets the times they are weak or miss. When we narrow HJ's range we increase our reverse implied odds.
Seems reasonable. I honestly did not even notice BB's stack, i need to pay more attention to details like that.

As played though, do you think it's a turn ship?
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02-19-2019 , 03:20 PM
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Seems reasonable. I honestly did not even notice BB's stack, i need to pay more attention to details like that.

As played though, do you think it's a turn ship?
Yeah, I don't feel good about it though.
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02-21-2019 , 12:42 PM
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Flop overbet is what i'd have done

Allows us to leverage the situation very well + there are a large amount of good turns for this particular combo
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02-21-2019 , 01:33 PM
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Flop overbet is what i'd have done

Allows us to leverage the situation very well + there are a large amount of good turns for this particular combo
Are you overbetting flop with your whole range? How many bet sizings OTF do you have and how do you split your range?
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02-21-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Pre Is ok but i prefer just call. I dont like your bet size flop. 1/3 pot Is Better, he probably call with all of his range. Turn better check, he will check all his mid value, and bet all his strong value (qq) all his drow and a lot of bluff..so Is check call turn..as played fold turn
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