Hello guys, I'm new here in cash forums. I have been playing poker for 2,5 years. Started at cash at a local site for some months and when I started playing on PS I just played mttsngs and Mtts. In some point (like a year and 2 months ago) I lost my job. I had a personal invesment also so I keep on that while I was geting seriuos and studing a lot of poker.

In some point I had to stop gamblind because of lack of money (this was 07/2017) and from there I was capable of raising my last $13 to $1k+ playing 80% sngs and 20% mtts

But.. Now I have also lost my personal job lol, so all I have is poker. This happened 3 months ago. I did "fine" (I live in a poor country and I can live right with 200/month)

But I am starting to get tired (and scared) of mttsng and mtts variance. So I decided to try again cash.

My BR now is 830. I never read cash forums so I don't know what amount of BI is right here. Probably I can play NL10 but I prefer to play NL5 till I get confidence. How many BI you need in cash for a certain stake?

And by the other side.. I don't know exactly how to do the math about profit. I did it like this: please tell me if it is ok.

I am right now playing 12 tables, 10 hours a day, 6 days a week (sometimes 7) But I use other numbers to make it more "realistic". I asume 6max tables have an av hand/hour of 100 so..

If I play 9 tables, 8 hs a day, 6 days a week, numbers would be:

9 (tables) * 100 (hands) = 900
900 (hands)* 8 (hours) = 7200
7200 (H/P day) * 26 (days) = 187200

So I will be playing at least 187200 hands a month. I don't know if I do this right but if I have a little bb/100 of 5 let's imagine that:

0.25/100 hands

187200 (total hands) / 100 = 1872
1872 * 0.25 = $468

Am I doing it right? If I do I will be so much more peacefull playing cash than tourneys. Because maybe I win more on tourneys but there are months like last one where u fall on the big downswing and hate life.. and in my situation (living of poker with my BR) is hard and cash seems very much more stable.

Opinions?

Your bankroll is more than good enough for the micros. I like your plan to start playing 5NL. I wouldn't play more than a few thousand hands before moving up to 10NL, while studying.

But your reason for liking cash vs. tournaments is misguided. Even good regs will go on downswings of -7 or -8 buy-ins a session, or less severe downswings of several buy-ins over a few weeks. All it takes is to get in KK vs AA a couple times or a few bad beats, coolers, setups.

So I think having a mature attitude and expectation about downswings/bad beats is important for cash, just like with tournaments.

I think I understand that. I don't mind about downswings or variance at all, I can take it, but I think cash is more stable. I mean, I plan to play 200k hands/month and with that volumen I need like 2bb/100 to get enough to live.

Also I can save from the good months. In mtts the Downs are crazy, I had some -200 ABI ones like 3 or 4 times in a year and sometimes takes long to get back to breakeven again.

I don't think cash is easier, maybe harder, but probably more stable in general and to me in my life right now that Will be great

I start tomorrow so you Will see me posting hands soon lol

good luck!

Everything's fine but don't play 200k hands of nl5, if you make a profit move up and keep studying.
You're super rolled anyway, I'm playing nl10 zoom with 20 buy-ins for example lol.

Yeah sure but I played tourneys for 2 years and only tourneys and I want to take a month at least to get used to cash.

I started today, 3 hours ago. Started with 6 tables to take it slow at first. First 2 hours -7 BI lol.. now -4 BI. Had some coolers

Anyway, first two hours I think I played it to much tourney-style, like wanting to push out the hand V's all the time. Then I calm down and remembered about pot control and it went better.

I have some goods open/3b charts but need to study them more out of tables. Will study at least 2 hours a day after session. I couln't do that so much before because I always ended up in a deep run to get sucked out in 20/50 position lol

I really need to study de 3b/4b dinamics in cash. Also I will start playing a bit tighter than charts after I get used too

Oh I forgot, I need to ask this:

My own rule is to go out of the table ones I have BIx3

But I just made it up, how should I take this?

Well.. I did not very good

https://imgur.com/a/0Mn0JMa

For what I can guess, red line is winning more than blue and that is wrong on cash on micros, is my tourney mindset. I will try to manage it the next days and play more with my cards.

Maybe I am calling down too much too. Maybe I should drop some showdown value hands and play more for real value.

It seems that everyone folds to 4bets. I couldn't cacht anyone no time with AA/KK. So I will probably call the 3b/4b with them.

My stats today: 5339 hands (a friend came in the middle of the session)

VPIP: 19.5
PFR: 14.9
3BET: 4.82 (I felt I did lots more of 3bets)
WTSD% 45.1 %
W$SD%: 45.1
AGG: 2.02
AGG%: 33

any advice?

Is this the kind of showndown value I need to get away of? I feel like if we don't bet, the most of the V will bet at some point.

Yeah that's a standard fold. I think with this exact combo, with the backdoor nut flush draw you can cbet 1/2 pot.

If you never bet bottom pair on the flop, opponents can put a lot of pressure on you when you bet flop, they call, and the bottom card pairs on the turn. So I think cbetting As3s and checking back Ac3c or Ah3h is a good way to play your A3s.

But checking flop is fine, cbetting the 89 and flush draw board will get a lot of floats from draws and overcard hands that will make playing turn and river hard. You played it fine.

Are you playing 100bb deep? That WTSD number is more like what I'd have in a tourney where I'm <20bb deep (and often all in pre, or on the flop). You shouldn't be getting to showdown much more than about 30% in micro cash. When it gets up to 40%, we're usually looking at a calling station/payoff wizard.

what's a reliable sample size for WTSD/W$SD?

My WTSD usually stabilizes after about 10,000 hands, but often much more quickly. I think W$SD is subject to greater variance, but it's not a stat I look at much.
I have a high WTSD (over 30%), but I'd be very concerned with a WTSD of >40% after 5000 hands. I'm pretty confident that the blueline on OP's graph isn't just coming from runbad. He's just not folding often enough.

Oh I miss write it, It was 35.4%, got confused with the other number. I am playing 100bb deep with automatic reaload.

At night I played another mini session with 4 tables while I watched some hand review videos.
https://imgur.com/a/ucqtDmV

Things went better. But I seem to have a problem with the red line. I read some times it is a mistake on the micros, that you should just play value.

Red line comes from 3/4 betting, cbeting and pushing people out of pots? maybe I am doing it too much?

yes - redline comes from winning when pushing out people ��

Don't fall in the red line trap at the micros.

what do you mean? I try not to raise it a lot but I played tourneys 2 years and started cash yesterday :P hard to forget the survival mode

Well.. things are going better today. I was able to fix the red and started like yesterday then recovered. I think the key was being more aggro and betting larger.

https://imgur.com/a/842eTR3

Some questions:

1- I am sitting out the table each time I got 3 BI, is this right?
2- What kind of hands can I cold call UTG/EP/CO. Right now I'm only cc with AJs/AQo/s 88/TT. Not CO, co just smaller PP and some conectors
3- 30% cbet in BvB seems not to work if isn't for value or thin value. Should I use 1/2? Works great at 3b pots

Maybe post your current total stats and I can give you some feedback as well as others. Stats from one session won't really be of any value.

Also, PM me w/ your email and I will set you up with a free poker training course if you're interested. I've successfully mentored a ton of people over the years and I can place you in a good poker study group as well w/ a lot of good guys who are playing around your stakes and slightly higher. That's the best way to move up and get better imho.

Thanks bro! I think is early for that because I only have today's and yesterday's session, 11k hands lol, was playing tourneys 2 years until monday. Will send pm!

You're welcome. GL.

Things are going fine 9.6bb/100. It takes much more concentration than tourneys, I end up just wanting to sleep lol. Maybe in the future I will cut it to 2 4hs sessions

https://imgur.com/a/fXGOu3G

I suggest 4 x 2h sessions
or 3 play, 1 study

I will try! this month I need to make money so I will put all the hours I can. I fell so much release about the freedom of taking breaks when you want on cash. I used to play tourneys from 10 am to 6 pm but 1/2 days there was a deep run and sometimes ended at 11/12 pm+ >.< 99% min cashes

Guys what about this plan I made in my mind yesterday: (I play 6max tables)

Vs UTG/MIDDLE KK/QQ/AK is a 3b call low 4b. Never 5b/push. KK can go all in if stack is 100bb-
Vs CO/BTN AKs/QQ/JJ can go for stack pre up to 100bb*
Vs SB/BB depending my seat, if I am at CO/BTN TT+AK

All this can change depending on V's but this is like standard for regs or nits

*Maybe AKs is better for calling 3b than 4b, and AKo is better to 4b