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07-21-2019 , 08:19 PM
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
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UTG: $61.66 (247 bb)
MP: $24.24 (97 bb)
CO: $25.09 (100 bb) VPIP: 70, PFR: 15, 3B: 15, AF: 3.5, Hands: 40
BU (Hero): $27.25 (109 bb)
SB: $24.86 (99 bb) VPIP: 29, PFR: 17, 3B: 13, AF: 0.9, Hands: 58
BB: $27.96 (112 bb) VPIP: 15, PFR: 15, 3B: 29, AF: 0.0, Hands: 20

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K J
2 players fold, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 2 players fold, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.35) 2 6 6 (2 players)
CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($3.35) T (2 players)
CO bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, CO calls $1

River: ($6.35) 4 (2 players)
CO bets $4.25, BU (Hero) folds

Total pot: $6.35 (Rake: $0.31)
CO wins $6.04

villain showed Ah3d..how do you deal with these loose fishy probers? turn sizing is trash I should of sized up but I was planning to bet big on river K,J,T or heart but he sized up on river and I thought to myself he just narrowed his range and I don't think ill have the fold equity I would of had. nh to villain but how do we adjust to players like this?
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07-21-2019 , 08:31 PM
i feel there is some kind of backwards thinking going on.

how do you think you exploit a villain who limp calls A3o and then spazz around postflop with a random A high hand? by going to war with K high or maybe some other strategy?
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07-21-2019 , 08:36 PM
Just have to loosen up and make those calls. Especially with top pair great kicker. This is a spot where you may just have to take the licks and get bluffed off the better hand though. You have a lot of stronger hands you can call down with, although you probably raise with a lot of them post flop. So in this spot I think you’re at the top of your river range unless you are trapping a lot on the Flop and Turn. You have position so it’s possible, but you have to look at your game and see if you have boats and sets to continue the river with.

How are you playing 22? 76, 65? What better hands then KT do you have after calling two streets? If you don’t have these hands after calling two streets on the river, you have to nut up and call with a few of your top pairs, and KT seems as good as any to me. Maybe call with Q-AT, fold JT and lower? Players rarely bluff on this board but fish spew off sometimes and you just gotta go with it. If they’re playing wide and triple barreling too often, just make the calls and hang on for the ride. Gl at the tables, lemme know what you think.

2nd edit: I guess my biggest worry is that if you’re folding KT here, you’re folding close to 100% of your range when you call two bets on this runout. You need some calls so that players don’t triple barrel bluff you with impunity.

3rd edit: realized you raised turn. So a lot of what I said above doesn’t matter but I guess my question now is why raise? You have better hands to raise with, most players aren’t going to call with worse and there are a lot of hands he could have that put you in a tough spot.

4th edit: I’m a moron and you don’t have KT. WP me.

Last edited by invalidname94; 07-21-2019 at 08:51 PM. Reason: Street correction, rewording thoughts to be more clear
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07-21-2019 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by invalidname94
Just have to loosen up and make those calls. Especially with top pair great kicker. This is a spot where you may just have to take the licks and get bluffed off the better hand though. You have a lot of stronger hands you can call down with, although you probably raise with a lot of them post flop. So in this spot I think you’re at the top of your river range unless you are trapping a lot on the Flop and Turn. You have position so it’s possible, but you have to look at your game and see if you have boats and sets to continue the river with.

How are you playing 22? 76, 65? Is 53s in your open range on the button? If you don’t have these hands after calling two streets on the river, you have to nut up and call with a few of your top pairs, and KT seems as good as any to me. Maybe call with Q-AT, fold JT and lower? Players rarely bluff on this board but against fish they spew off sometimes and you just gotta go with it. If they’re playing wide and triple barreling too often, just make the calls and hang on for the ride. Gl at the tables, lemme know what you think.
He doesnt have KT
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07-21-2019 , 08:52 PM
Thanks Zuko. I’m an idiot lol. Sorry for the waste of space.
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07-21-2019 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Zuko
i feel there is some kind of backwards thinking going on.

how do you think you exploit a villain who limp calls A3o and then spazz around postflop with a random A high hand? by going to war with K high or maybe some other strategy?
lol
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07-21-2019 , 09:03 PM
First off, tighten up. (This is a general strategy, not specific advice for this hand. KJ is probably fine.) I think KJ should be a call otf. When he bets ott, I think I'm done with the hand. If I had an A I'd probably call down....

His AF is really high for a 70 vpip. You can't go to war with maniacs. You let them hang themselves.

Last edited by bailashtoreth; 07-21-2019 at 09:31 PM. Reason: I can't read...
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07-21-2019 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bailashtoreth
First off, tighten up. (This is a general strategy, not specific advice for this hand. KJ is probably fine.) Also, notice that he has played 70% of hands, but he's only raised 15%. So when he raises, he seems to have a significantly better hand than when he limps (unless there is some seriously weird card distribution). For that reason, I think KJ should be a call pre and otf. When he bets ott, I think I'm done with the hand. If I had an A I'd probably call down....

You can't go to war with maniacs. You let them hang themselves.
He limped pre. If he had raised flatting KJo is lol!bad.
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07-21-2019 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
He limped pre. If he had raised flatting KJo is lol!bad.
I saw raise, 3bet for some reason. But yes, I agree, 3bet is necessary to iso. I was thinking they were already heads up (everyone else had folded). Did not read well - edited.
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07-22-2019 , 03:43 AM
Turn is a spot where villain isn't going to do too much folding. He won't be folding any pair at this point. This is a spot that will come up somewhat often and honestly just being passive with weak hands and being aggressive with marginal value is probably the best way to go.
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07-22-2019 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Zuko
i feel there is some kind of backwards thinking going on.

how do you think you exploit a villain who limp calls A3o and then spazz around postflop with a random A high hand? by going to war with K high or maybe some other strategy?
i lol'd

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07-22-2019 , 05:09 AM
fold turn
mby flop
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07-22-2019 , 07:04 AM
I don't like the flop call. If you had AK or AQ it would be ok since you're actually ahead of some random ace high bluffs.

You could raise the flop though... There are some opponents I regularly play against that do these kinda donks on a regular basis and most of the time they don't have a great hand, they often either check-call or check-raise it. This is often some kinda "I have A8 or JT and I missed but hey let's put the opponent on AK and bluff him out of the pot" situation.

It's so rarely a strong hand when playing against a VPIP 70 opponent that unless the betting gets serious you can't really put them on something that could call the raise.

Of course, when playing against whales you can't be certain whether they'll actually fold their hand here when you raise. But! If there ever was a situation where you'd bluff raise a whale on the flop this would be it. And even if they call with 77 or A8 or something, you'll still have outs so not all hope is lost.
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07-22-2019 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Barfunkel
I don't like the flop call. If you had AK or AQ it would be ok since you're actually ahead of some random ace high bluffs.



You could raise the flop though... There are some opponents I regularly play against that do these kinda donks on a regular basis and most of the time they don't have a great hand, they often either check-call or check-raise it. This is often some kinda "I have A8 or JT and I missed but hey let's put the opponent on AK and bluff him out of the pot" situation.



It's so rarely a strong hand when playing against a VPIP 70 opponent that unless the betting gets serious you can't really put them on something that could call the raise.



Of course, when playing against whales you can't be certain whether they'll actually fold their hand here when you raise. But! If there ever was a situation where you'd bluff raise a whale on the flop this would be it. And even if they call with 77 or A8 or something, you'll still have outs so not all hope is lost.
Yeah pretty much sums it up..lol his range is so wide theres no way he has it as often as he bets..I should of raised flop and played turns accordingly..or raised turn bigger and give up when called..I went small to try and setup river bluffs but his river sizing threw me off.

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07-22-2019 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Zuko
i feel there is some kind of backwards thinking going on.

how do you think you exploit a villain who limp calls A3o and then spazz around postflop with a random A high hand? by going to war with K high or maybe some other strategy?
"Some other strategy" lol

His range is so wide he cant possibly have it as often as he bets..I guess I'd be making a range play here but I should of raised flop or raised turn bigger..

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07-22-2019 , 10:24 AM
I don't mind it, I'd probably play it the same. I think we can profitably call with 6 outs and often the best hand.
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07-22-2019 , 12:02 PM
I'm pretty sure the spazz calls or 3-bets the flop if you raise. We did call him a spazz earlier after all, so raising just makes the pot bigger and villain stickier...
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07-22-2019 , 03:47 PM
You know, you're allowed to just fold when somebody donks into you and you have a crappy hand.

All this stuff about floating and bluff-raising whales is making my head spin. Don't do that type of thing very often. There's zero reason to win *this particular hand*. Fold and go to the next one where you might it have and won't have to put moves on mega-fish to take their money.
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07-22-2019 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
You know, you're allowed to just fold when somebody donks into you and you have a crappy hand.

All this stuff about floating and bluff-raising whales is making my head spin. Don't do that type of thing very often. There's zero reason to win *this particular hand*. Fold and go to the next one where you might it have and won't have to put moves on mega-fish to take their money.


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Originally Posted by bailashtoreth
I'm pretty sure the spazz calls or 3-bets the flop if you raise. We did call him a spazz earlier after all, so raising just makes the pot bigger and villain stickier...
You both make valid points..it could of been because I felt like I was overfolding to him ( we played quite a few pots that were whiff after whiff for me) he donks small alot and takes weird lines that were really making me think. ( which doesnt happen often btw) so I could of been just defensively telling myself he has so many bluffs that it's worth the risk to bluff..little did I know he was ready to die honorably with that offsuit Ace rag lol I guess what I should take from this is to not get "fancy" because distributions arent going my way. Just because I think I'm overfolding to one villain at one table doesnt justify spew..

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07-23-2019 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
I don't mind it, I'd probably play it the same. I think we can profitably call with 6 outs and often the best hand.
nvm; I didn't see the terrible raise ott
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07-23-2019 , 07:27 PM
As others have said the turn is pretty bad. Just call with your SDV and let him keep firing with his weakest hands. Raising actually accomplishes the opposite of what you were looking to accomplish with it against this villain.
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07-23-2019 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by thegibson
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $61.66 (247 bb)
MP: $24.24 (97 bb)
CO: $25.09 (100 bb) VPIP: 70, PFR: 15, 3B: 15, AF: 3.5, Hands: 40
BU (Hero): $27.25 (109 bb)
SB: $24.86 (99 bb) VPIP: 29, PFR: 17, 3B: 13, AF: 0.9, Hands: 58
BB: $27.96 (112 bb) VPIP: 15, PFR: 15, 3B: 29, AF: 0.0, Hands: 20

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K J
2 players fold, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 2 players fold, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.35) 2 6 6 (2 players)
CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($3.35) T (2 players)
CO bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, CO calls $1

River: ($6.35) 4 (2 players)
CO bets $4.25, BU (Hero) folds

Total pot: $6.35 (Rake: $0.31)
CO wins $6.04

villain showed Ah3d..how do you deal with these loose fishy probers? turn sizing is trash I should of sized up but I was planning to bet big on river K,J,T or heart but he sized up on river and I thought to myself he just narrowed his range and I don't think ill have the fold equity I would of had. nh to villain but how do we adjust to players like this?
I see this all the time by fish,

when you have air on flop,

keep calling those donk min bets..99% it will be a weak pair or a draw. fish will bet it all the way to river ..if the draw hits they bet big..note down the hands. leave your ego at the door get ready to be bluffed...

when you have TPGK on flop,
raise that ****..

caveat: there will be some fish who donk minbet on flopping sets or weird ass 2 pair.. if you get reraised-ditch it..even AA
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