https://access.gaminglabs.com/certificate/index?i=277

with a good winrate or just slightly winning?

"New accounts run hot but then again, some don't." Amazing info. If you think it's rigged, don't play there. I realize you said you're winning. Win more elsewhere.

u guys realize that if it was rigged, these people wouldnt be so stupid to rig it in a way so its entirely either this or that, meaning:

-they wouldnt have all new accounts run hot but probably more than usual
-they wouldnt make winning entirely impossible but rather take away SOME of your equity and redistribute it to someone else...

ect...

Counterpoint: Phil Hellmuth was superusing on UB. He called a 3-bet and open folded his hand face up in a $200/$400 HU game when his opponent flopped a boat with a junk hand like 74s. This was in limit holdem. Point being, some people are ****ing ******ed and do make mistakes.

they could be so stupid, but I would rather think they're not. Also wasnt UB the first site people got cheated on? Scammers are learning 2

btw I ran hot too on that site when I started playing there. We should use polls in the future

A poll saying what?
"I'm an idiot for staying on a site that I suspect is cheating?
[ ]Yes
[ ]No"


I can confirm that I've not been running hot since I started playing there though I'm learning 5c PLO at $60 and $100 and been playing my B-C game on average but still up ~$700 over 5-6k hands. If I was running hot, my horrible play would be rewarded more often!!!! right?

[ ] ran hot at the beginning
[ ] didnt run hot at the beginning

its never a mistake to mine some statistics

The site's RNG is totally wack. It's rigged to enduce action 10x more than it should be.

It's constantly nuts v 2nd nuts, almost every hand.

Has anyone cracked the code to PPP's rigged RNG yet? (maybe that's a stupid question as I'm sure no-one would be sharing this info publicly)

Hello Guys, i am not exactly sure how many people here know how this app makes money but .... well.

The owner of a club makes money with rake. the owner of the club has to bring in all the players. so basically no one can play without given access by the owner of the club. The owner of the club pays the app owner. every table that runs costs a fee by the hour. even if no one is playing at the table. so if you guys see an empty table in the lobby where no one is playing but the time is counting, that means the owner of the club is paying money to the app for that table right now. the amount of rake does not matter. the only person who benefits from more rake is the owner of the club. but the owner of club is just using the app as a "customer". he can not control the RNG... What i am saying is. i dont see how someone would profit from that.

Wow, my thoughts exactly and I've only played 10k hands. I've noticed the new account thing. I played 60NL and made $500 profit from the get go. I won my first 12 sessions for something like 50bb/100 (over 2000 hands). I've also been winning since, but a lot slower. I've had quads about 6 times in 10k hands. I've seen quads beat full houses two or three times. I flopped straight flush, got a royal flush, had AQ on AQ6 run into 66 and AA... the sort of things that happen every now and then over 500k hands, not all in 10k hands. I've played about 8 or 9million hands over my life and I've already made up my mind that there is something wrong with the card generator and collusion/multi-accounting is most definitely present.

Three months later I can still confirm that my awful play is being rewarded as I'm raping these games. I wonder when PPP considers an account having played too long and they turn on the doom switch. It's been 40k hands now (yes, I'm a huge grinder!). I'm scared of no longer being a new account and not running hot anymore . Someone please ****ing tell me!!!

Collusion and multi-accounting are two different things. As far as I know, having multiple accounts on ppp isn't against the rules. I'd assume that some people do attempt to collude. I'd assume this of every poker room.

The problem is the one player is playing up to 3 of their users on the same table.

I'm all for you showing proof of this accusation.

what?! i didnt do that man what are you talking about you have no proof.. ot was my gf playin in my other acc i swear

isolated what r ur clubs and usernames?! i bet were friends on ppp

1. Out of 100 players (so far), 30 of them have near identical stats.
2. These players only ever play at the same table up to a max of 3 accounts.

How do I prove this?

Well, you could take screenshots of the tables with their h2n/pt/hm stats. It's not proof but it's better than just saying something. I often play at tables with three decent regulars with similar stats! Doesn't mean they're the same player.

You only have 100 players in your db? And I mean db in h2n/pt/hm because the stats on the sites are often not accurate just as on PokerMaster everyone was 33/24 because it was manipulated. You must have huge samples on these guys cuz I play in a fairly small union and have gathered 500+ hands on 82 different players in a 40k hand sample and ~500 players I've played 50 or more hands with.

These statements are always silly. Mostly because of confirmation bias and because outliers happen.

In June I lost 3 times to a one outer after getting in ott in the span of ~2k hands. **** happens.

If I got quads every hand for 10k hands, it could also be called confirmation bias because this would not be impossible. I understand your attempt to school me in this, but I know what I've seen (I four tabled zoom for millions of hands), and it's not normal.

I haven't hooked up my HM2 to PPPoker. I'd have to pay $30 a month for the ability. For now I "won" the PPPoker HUD. Yesterday. Hence my realisation that every player I'd marked good had the near exact same stats.

I guess I could screen shot every hud that is identical and post it up perhaps. The thing I want to know is, if there are 100 people playing in one poker group. How likely is it that 30 have these stats within a percent either way:

VPIP: 33
PFR: 24
3b: 10
Cbet: 49
WTSD: 26
W$SD%: 52
GAME-WIN-FISH: 22-3-2 (Most have close to this ratio once enough hands are played, that is [the number of games played]-[the number times they won the most]-[the number of times they lost the most])

PPPoker tracks the players hand histories which the HUD uses for stats. The largest handcount is 122k hands. The average hand count is 30k. So VERY reliable data.

p.s. I'm pretty sure it's not a bot. I think it's either one, or a handful of users multiaccounting and colluding. They responded to me twice today with "you're a ** idiot" and "lol". Reasonable responses if I'm wrong.

+
= Shocking.

and fwiw, I'm not trying to "school" you. You just sound incredibly silly accusing PPP of both rng manipulation and this 3 people to a table thing. Some sour grapes right there. I could type more in rebuttal but I will never change a rigtards mind so I will not try. Good luck out there.

Come on, don't be so quick to judge. I'm usually on your side of this argument.

PPP have their own HUD.

I will post screen shots.

Here are 11 screenshots of stats from 65 currently in the club. Am I just losing my mind?

https://imgur.com/w39tXso
https://imgur.com/luVNm1e
https://imgur.com/44zYDfl
https://imgur.com/7EbDBPu
https://imgur.com/QOpE9YV
https://imgur.com/qUQisna
https://imgur.com/kAqAf30
https://imgur.com/mKPYAWE
https://imgur.com/jpv8q1y
https://imgur.com/IQkyvx0
https://imgur.com/P9JcLVn

Much like you, I've played millions of hands. Roughly 7 million of them. People been complaining about RNGs since day 1 I started playing in 2003 and to my knowledge not one RNG has been proven to be rigged. PPP seems no different than any other site. It deals cards, it has action, and it's fun.

No need for screenshots as it proves nothing. Post HM stats when you get those. If you want to accuse them of bots, I'm cool with that since it's much more likely. But accusing people of playing 3 accounts at a time while not being a bot seems fairly ridiculous.

edit: was typing while you posted those. not clicking them. don't care that much. you want to play on ppp then play, if you don't the rng don't play there. I'm not trying to change your mind here. I'm just extremely skeptical for all the usual reasons.

Do you know anything about bots? Would the user scripting them sit and watch them play and be able to make comments from their accounts?

At 6:30am this morning, there are 8 or 10 of these players sitting alone at the tables even though they could be playing heads up against each other or at the same table playing each other. Instead, they sit and wait. This is just further proof.

When the players arrive, I've still not seen more than 3 of theses bots at the same table.