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Good Spot to Check Raise? Good Spot to Check Raise?

07-19-2018 , 11:23 AM
Hello,

I was filtering hands for BB play and looking for spots where I should / shouldn't be Check / Raising and found this hand. It's from a week ago.

Villian is unknown to me.

PF - was surprised I called after reviewing because I've been pretty passive in the BB (leak)

Flop - think I would normally C/C this flop too but again was surprised. Looking now, I don't have any SDV but have several cards that I'd barrel the turn with.

Is this too loose of a C/R?


    WPN, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37935098

    Hero (BB): $13.22 (132.2 bb)
    UTG: $18.24 (182.4 bb)
    MP: $11.15 (111.5 bb)
    CO: $12.19 (121.9 bb)
    BTN: $10.53 (105.3 bb)
    SB: $13.82 (138.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 T
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, SB folds, Hero calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.65) K Q 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $0.31, Hero raises to $1.24, BTN folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $1.27 pot ($0.06 rake)
    Final Board: K Q 4
    Hero mucked 9 T and won $1.21 ($0.60 net)
    BTN mucked and lost (-$0.61 net)



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    07-19-2018 , 01:13 PM
    Nice hand.

    To think about this situation properly, I believe you need to think about your entire play in the BB versus a BTN open. What hands are you 3-betting? What hands are you flatting? Do you have a 3-bet bluffing range versus this villain in this spot?

    Once you know what your overall preflop flatting range is, think about what you are going to do with what parts of that range. I assume that your donkbetting range is nil, so there will be three parts: check-fold, check-call, and checkraise. What value hands are in your checkraise range? How many bluffs do you suppose you need to balance your value checkraises?

    At a glance, T9 on a KQ4 board looks like a reasonable candidate for checkraising. We have essentially no showdown value unimproved, and we do have equity from our gutshot and backdoor flush draws. That said, we do not have enough equity to call down.

    But to make that judgment better, what you really need to do is work the problem I outlined with a bunch of hands in a bunch of BTN vs BB situations, and learn to get a feel for what is right, so you can take that feel with you to the tables when you play.

    Your bet-sizing seems reasonable to me, but take my judgment with a grain of salt, because I don't feel fully up to speed with my own bet-sizing.
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    07-19-2018 , 02:18 PM
    Not a board I would have a raising range on BB V BU tbh , above though looks like solid advice if you do
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    07-19-2018 , 02:27 PM
    I like it. We will want to raise K4s and Q4s. T9 with a spade and T9s are our weakest combos which have ways of improving so they make the most sense for x/r. It just so happens that gives us an approximately 2:1 bluffs to value.

    I like x/r with a spade in our hand specifically because we block part of V's continuation range.
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    07-19-2018 , 02:49 PM
    ^ I 3bet K4s but have 44 and Q4s. Seems OK, think we can find enough hands with better equity and as little limited sdv though eg. J9ss, 89ss insofar as we have them in our range
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    07-19-2018 , 02:56 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DrRobotnit
    ^ I 3bet K4s but have 44 and Q4s.
    Why do you 3b K4s? The hand is often dominated vs a btn 3b calling range.

    I definitely forgot about 44 and I like the other hands you suggested as bluffs.
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    07-19-2018 , 03:41 PM
    Our weakest draw. I'm definitely raising it.
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    07-20-2018 , 09:09 PM
    Thank you all!

    I agree with the Ts as a blocker and for the BDFD; I'm not sure I would do the same without a spade or two diamonds.
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    07-22-2018 , 04:01 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by simplelessons
    Why do you 3b K4s? The hand is often dominated vs a btn 3b calling range.

    I definitely forgot about 44 and I like the other hands you suggested as bluffs.
    I just copy ranges tbh but my reasoning is that we can include a few weak bluffs, 54s+, K4s, K3s, K2s, in an otherwise linear range of all suited broadways, strong offsuit broadways, Axs. Why not K9s instead as that is a stronger hand, I would say that K9s is too good to bluff with. K4s is better than Q4s because more blocker and nut potential etc..
    K4s is ofc a great flat for the price as well
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