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08-21-2019 , 10:14 PM
So this guy seems like a solid reg, but he is 18% 3bet overall through 205 hands, and I know that isn't converged, but it seems to be pretty high and I think I've seen him 3bet light. Figuring he can be bluffing in the SB alot, I decide to 4bet my low suited A, as I think it is a good combo. He calls.

Flop I wasn't sure what to do. I think I need to bet as I suspect he may call pre light, but I don't have any firm info to go on. I wasn't sure how to size it, and in hindsight this is probably a check as nothing here hits my range. I don't think I played this flop well and I'm not sure how I should've played it. Turn doesn't do much for me so I x, planning to shut down.

River comes, and I think it is a great card for me. I think a lot of his K high hands fold to my flop bet, so at this point I have him on 99-QQ. I can rep AK, KQ and maybe some KJ that 4bet bluffs. I think the bet flop small, x turn to give up and then bet river looks a ton like AK here.

I decide to bet a bit over 1/2 pot, as I feel this is a good sizing here. I picked off a bluff yesterday with JJ when the guy jammed the river with AK, and in general in this pool I find overbets and jams in spots like these to be bluff weighted.

Good bluff?


PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 85.2 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 129.4 BB (VPIP: 23.04, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 17.72, Hands: 205)
BB: 69.2 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 9)
UTG: 99.2 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 6.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
MP: 114 BB (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (CO): 127.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A 5

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, fold, SB raises to 8 BB, fold, Hero raises to 24 BB, SB calls 16 BB

Flop: (49 BB, 2 players) 7 2 7
SB checks, Hero bets 20 BB, SB calls 20 BB

Turn: (89 BB, 2 players) 8
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (89 BB, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets 50 BB...

Spoiler:

SB calls 50 BB

Hero shows A 5 (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 34%, Flop 14%, Turn 7%)
SB shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens)
(Pre 66%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
SB wins 181.2 BB
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08-21-2019 , 10:42 PM
shove
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08-21-2019 , 11:58 PM
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So this guy seems like a solid reg, but he is 18% 3bet overall through 205 hands,
You should not change your preflop strategy due to a 205 hand sample.

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and I think I've seen him 3bet light.
you think? A read is only helpful if you know the read.

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Figuring he can be bluffing in the SB alot, I decide to 4bet my low suited A, as I think it is a good combo.
Meh, i mean. i guess it is okayish but honestly he is giving you a great price to just flat and play in position. Your are kind of wasting a good hand as a 4 bet bluff. especially when you think someone 3 bets too wide OOP you want to flat IP and get reads on how he constructs his postflop strategy. Does he range bet and x/f alot of turns? does he already x/f flops? it is totally fine to call pre, miss the flop and fold if he barrels.

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Flop I wasn't sure what to do. I think I need to bet as I suspect he may call pre light,
wait. why did we 4 bet A5s if we suspect he might call light? Anyhow this is a nice flop for the IP 4 bettor because SB is kinda capped. (he should mostly jam QQ preflop) i mostly range bet that flop 1/4 pot.

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hindsight this is probably a check as nothing here hits my range.
it doesnt hit SB range so it does not need to hit your 4b bluff range.

AP i would probably x turn but then mostly jam river.
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08-22-2019 , 02:34 AM
V has a pretty big leak: hes restealing a lot, but for such a small size you can call any suited hand profitably IP. So like was said I'd be looking to call and play a pot IP here. Bet smaller on the flop and shove river instead.

You also want to 4b smaller against this guy. 20bb will do just fine. He will have to fold his bluffs regardless and you can bluff a bit more for that size.
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08-22-2019 , 04:48 AM
4 bet smaller I think.

As played, I wouldn't have much of a bluffing range here. I know this is very imbalanced but the pool is not going to be exploiting it. I would not bluff this spot because villain's calling range pre here is often going to be 1010-QQ and some AK. Villain's are playing extremely face up preflop and their range here is extremely strong. Versus this range I think we have very little fold equity on the river (especially versus this sizing). When you realise how many strong hands villain will show up with here that he should be shoving pre for value it makes bluffing very unattractive.
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08-22-2019 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Swedishmonkey
shove
+1 if you want to bet

flop bet is unnecessarily large
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08-22-2019 , 05:48 AM
4bet pre is a bit too large imo, I usually go with 2.2x I'd got for 18-20BB here
You can probably bet smaller on the flop, I'd go for 30-40% pot here.

If you think he's 3betting light, this is a great spot to 4bet him.
I would do the same and have done so and took down plenty of pots doing this.


Don't bet the river.

Why do you think that K is a good card to bet on?
Overpairs up until the river are not going to believe you and just call most of the time and AK got there as well.

Just give up after your flop bet gets called.

Villain played this hand horribly and you paid him off.
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08-22-2019 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Yeodan
4bet pre is a bit too large imo, I usually go with 2.2x I'd got for 18-20BB here
You can probably bet smaller on the flop, I'd go for 30-40% pot here.

If you think he's 3betting light, this is a great spot to 4bet him.
I would do the same and have done so and took down plenty of pots doing this.


Don't bet the river.

Why do you think that K is a good card to bet on?
Overpairs up until the river are not going to believe you and just call most of the time and AK got there as well.

Just give up after your flop bet gets called.

Villain played this hand horribly and you paid him off.
Lol hero has all the combos of AK as played and even some weaker Kx
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08-22-2019 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 2019fish2019
Lol hero has all the combos of AK as played and even some weaker Kx
Doesn't matter if villain doesn't believe it
I remember a few similar spots in which I got called down with the same type of hand

I'd find it very hard to lay down 99-QQ to this bet, although it is pretty large so I might.

Maybe I'd fold 99 & TT to this bet sizing and probably JJ & QQ to a shove.

But that's assuming villain is not a call station and I see no reason to believe that.
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08-22-2019 , 07:31 AM
Sure, its reasonable to never bluff the river if villain is a station, we are printing otr if hes calling all his flopped overpairs. The fact hes super aggro but doesnt ship QQ pre is kind of funny since we should be expanding our 4b range vs him.
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