Can I even call pre for that sizing?

Thoughts on raising flop? I guess just jamming would be the appropriate size? Pretty sure I have 99 and TT here, jamming puts his overpairs in a meh spot that probably calls? So I guess blocking JJ and QQ is good? The more I think about it, the more I like raising, but IDK

How does this hand play out if they bet quarter on the flop? I'm probably raising way more often

Turn is probably good for villain, has all AK, AA, KK, but idk if AK bets flop like that, and it's not like I don't have QJ (unless I should fold pre)

I guesss by river he can have like kings exactly, one combo of 99 (feel like 99 and TT bet turn though), QJ that also checked back, AK that checked back, KQ? Maybe KTs? I guess AA calls? But idk how many often, if ever, those hands are taking this line. I also block his missed hearts that might bluff if I check. Also, if I check, does AK bet? In which case I can probably check raise? Or is raising too thin?

Jamming 1bb under was a misclick

PartyGaming - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 93.5 BB
SB: 231 BB
BB: 221.5 BB
UTG: 145.5 BB
Hero (CO): 305 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 3 T 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

Turn: (57.5 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (57.5 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 64 BB, BTN raises to 65.5 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB,

x/r on flop is absolutely fine - i dont know the ratios of x/c vs x/r. in theory we dont x/r much vs large bets. but its all a bit meh because a call puts us in a spot where SPR is ~1.
villain shouldnt be betting anywhere near this sizing, has a broken stack, its 2nl - dude is 100% a fish.
Based on that i lean to x/jam with such monster equity and only partially blocking his 3b range (JJ/QQ).
bit of tl/dr but in this scenario we are looking for the best way to get our stack in
if we x/c flop and turn goes x/x we absolutely have to take lead, x river and villain x'ing back is a disaster.

i think you played it fine.

jam flop. not close
Its not like you fear being called by anything. You even have 40% vs Sets

Flop is a mandatory jam, on the turn you are basically out of position with a mathematically break even call. Put it in on flop, get some fold equity.

So it's never a mixed strategy here? I think what dissuaded me from raising was the pot size bet, feels 'wrong' to jam into a polarized range like that, but then again I have so much equity and 0 SDV. I know at 2NL it doesn't matter, but just for learning purposes, what else am I jamming here? Am I playing this spot as a check jam or fold? Or, is this not even a spot since villain should never be betting pot on this flop?

Is this just a non spot since villain should never be betting that size here? So not jamming here is a huge punt? Or reverse punt lmao?

Ok so from what I understand from your/other comments is that this is kind of a non spot? So I shouldn't focus too much on what mine or villain's range *should* look like here, since he should never actually have that bet size?

So just jam or fold always? I guess I would jam 99, TT, and all QJs? Maybe KQhh/cc? Fold everything else? Actually, would jamming JJ make sense? I guess I can still be called by like AT but I wouldn't be surprised to get called by a higher pocket pair. Folding seems wrong though. So would jacks just flat call? The more I think about it, the more I dislike a calling range here at all, since like you said that leaves us OOP on a board where the nuts can change easily, and we have a super low SPR.

'the folding seems wrong' is the key bit in the above. given the huge amount of equity we have vs his range, folding is the only real blunder for this hand.

in position out of position are considerations for when the SPR has relevance.

calling flop doesnt put us in a super tricky spot for our hand, im stacking off regardless. i agree with other comments that perhaps x/fold and x/jam given the SPR can make our range splitting simpler than including x/call as well. im all for simplicity so yeah, lets do this instead.

the direct relationship between SPR and the order of magnitude of our potential mistakes is a good thing to always bear in mind.

Always jamming OTF. As played, the check ott hurts my soul. Just jam

Haha!

Still jamming flop if they bet 1/4? Or just raising then jamming turn?

Also, my turn check hurts your soul? Or villain's? I thought about jamming turn, but I felt like it didn't make sense to have a leading range on that turn given the action so far. Or does it, considering I have a higher concentration of QJs, TT and JJ? And it puts AK in a doodoo spot

Villan shows KK btw, forget which suits, but I can check and update the post later

This is like debating flipping a coin and if you should bet on heads or tails. Call this, miss and donk jam ur fine. The only thing that sux is calling this then check folding turn that you don't improve.

So I can donk jam any turn? I don't think I would fold turn, I guess I just call if he jams, that was my plan anyway, although I'm probably behind more often than not, especially since I block their bluffs.

While folks are mentioning this is 2nl, and you should play the pool. We don't want to get into habits that carry on to 5nl, 25nl, etc. Since I haven't played 2nl in over 11 years, I can only give you my recent experience. I am not expecting a river boat here. I am not jamming flop. I may raise big, but not jamming. I am not checking turn, that is a big friggin bet on turn. And not folding river.

Now, lets start from the beginning. QJs is a defend vs BU to 3bet, you did fine there. Calling pot bet on flop is fine too, though you could min raise, but villain would probably keep going.. Problem is, I would jam turn, but he hit his set, so probably not folding. But the action should end on the turn, with how bloated the pot is.

I feel preflop is a fold. It just generally breeds alot of
hairy scenarios and you're probably drawing against a pocket pair.

Maybe at 10NL+ I would call.

The way the hand transpired it's hard to mess up after the flop.

I agree 1000000% which is why I'm only focused on what the 'right' move is, even if there is a better exploitative move in this pool. I don't plan on playing 2nl forever lmao, and it's not like I'm trying to make a living here haha, so I don't care if I lose money if my line was theoretically correct. It's why I still 5bet jam AK facing 4bets and call off AK facing a jam, even though I have yet to see it not be KK+ lol.

So it's reasonable to have a leading range on that turn with that action?

Definitely calling a jam. River sucks lol but it is what it is, and I can't risk a checkback I don't think.

In your opinion, the biggest mistake was not jamming turn?

The thing is I'm tying to learn the game the 'proper' way. It's not like I'm playing 2nl to make money. It's just a place to learn. Then again, if you think their 3 betting range is constructed in such a way that makes this a -EV call pre, then I suppose folding pre *is* the 'proper' way to play.

I try not to get too out of line with exploitative lines, and I'll only really adjust against players who are for sure worse than I am (probably not many lmao). I assume open limpers and short stackers are bad. Relatively of course, since absolutely speaking 99% of the player pool is bad

fold pre
xjam flop

Fold pre cause 2nl? Or is this actually a fold? If it is, what are we calling? AQ and like JJ-77? Maybe QQ sometimes? AJs? KQs?

Seems like the general consensus is I shoulda jammed flop

it's a fold a low stakes rake too and vs a smaller 3b
in this case you got a broken stack 3b you big, no need to play mediocre hands

Good point, vs a 3x I guess it's a call, but for that size, plus that fact that they're a little short, AND the microstakes rake, means I can safely fold?

The answer's really always fold pre eh?

it's not terrible or anything but you're struggling to break even under normal circumstances in high raked games, it's not an important combo to play for board coverage reasons either

Interesting. If anyone's curious I can run this through snowie later and post the results

Your best bet is to start at 5nl or 10nl. Put 100 on site for 10nl. (Recommended to me by a coach). They are right about the rake, but it shouldn't be a consideration for your play.

The skills at 2nl do not translate well to higher stakes.

I occasionally play 5nl Zone to test if strategy works at lower stakes, and it does. 10nl, apparently on all sites, are full of aggro players. 25nl is a mix between passive 5nl and aggro 10nl.

Try your hand at some higher stakes, then we can learn together better play?

Yeah, I actually tried taking the game seriously a couple times before, but no IRL friends do so it's a bit hard to stick with it.

There has been about 2 or 3 instances where I ran up a 'bankroll' on stars.

Initially I deposited like 20 on stars for 2nl, ran it up to 80 or so then cashed out and used that to buy pokertracker 4, then never played agian lol.

Several months later I did the same but moved up to 5 nl, then 10nl, but they only had ante games which I didn't like.

The thing is, these were all little 10k hand stints, so there's a very good chance I just ran hotter than the sun. Now is like my 3rd attempt to buckle down and learn.

I think there's exactly 50 in my stars account, so I suppose I can jump into 5nl zoom. Or do you really think its worth going for 10nl only?

When you say the skills of 2nl don't translate well, why is that? Shouldn't it in theory be the same thing? Or is it because ranges are so different due to rake? Isn't rake at 10nl still ridicculously high?

Or is it becaus opponents take weird lines which equates to bad practice? So in other words, 10nl opponents may take more standard lines that force you into tougher spots, which means you learn faster?

I figured if I don't beat 2nl over 10k hands (which I thinnk I should since I've already done so, but I never REALLY tracked anything well/don't have conclusive enough evidence), then there's no point in moving up since I obviously am seriously lacking the fundamentals.

Sorry this comment is all over the place

Edit: Its worth mentioning while I'd rather play the lowest stakes possible to JUST focus on my play, but if you think the quality of practice is that bad below 10nl zoom ill move up. As long as the stakes stay relatively micro haha