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Old 09-13-2018, 11:30 PM   #1
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Getting JJ in for 50bb

Will it be +EV to get it in here?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 112.5 BB
SB: 167 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 95.5 BB
MP: 207 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
CO: 50 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 50 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 44 BB

Flop: (101.5 BB, 2 players) 9 3 3

Turn: (101.5 BB, 2 players) 7

River: (101.5 BB, 2 players) K

CO shows K K (Full House, Kings full of Threes)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Threes)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
CO wins 98 BB
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:44 AM   #2
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Re: Getting JJ in for 50bb

trivial get it in vs that stack in those positions
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:14 AM   #3
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Re: Getting JJ in for 50bb

easy fold, guy with his stats playing SS is only shoving 46bb in with QQ+/AK
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:33 AM   #4
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Re: Getting JJ in for 50bb

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easy fold, guy with his stats playing SS is only shoving 46bb in with QQ+/AK
lol, this is clearly not an easy fold if you were to fold here. It is very hard to say that he never does this with AK, which is what you'd have to say to justify the fold. Maybe if he was a 15/1, but not with his regular tight nitty stats.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:04 AM   #5
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lol, this is clearly not an easy fold if you were to fold here. It is very hard to say that he never does this with AK, which is what you'd have to say to justify the fold. Maybe if he was a 15/1, but not with his regular tight nitty stats.
no.

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349,310,016 games 0.000 secs 69,862,003,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.810% 63.60% 00.21% 222162504 731868.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 36.190% 35.98% 00.21% 125683776 731868.00 { JJ }
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:22 AM   #6
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Re: Getting JJ in for 50bb

...and we're getting better than 2:1 so we have the amount of eq needed to stack off. What planet are you living on?
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:32 AM   #7
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Re: Getting JJ in for 50bb

This hand sounds in general like you are focusing on what NOT is the problem instead of WHAT is. I am trying to be helpful, the only reason why calling 50bbs off with JJ could be not trivial because of the limits you are playing. That being said it looks like you are looking to a session thinking you lost it because of this hand, I guarantee you have some fundamental leaks somewhere. This is not an attack, but if your really worried about stacking off with 50bbs with JJ you have way bigger holes to fill. Find them, you know you I don't.
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:01 AM   #8
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...and we're getting better than 2:1 so we have the amount of eq needed to stack off.
hmm no?
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:23 AM   #9
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The only opinion you can give the OP is that I made a simple error in my answer. Kinda sad hmmm... yes?
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:31 AM   #10
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Re: Getting JJ in for 50bb

QQ is prob the bottom of my range for stacking off at 2NL
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:23 AM   #11
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Re: Getting JJ in for 50bb

Stacking aganst 50bb fish is ok with JJ.

Stacking against this guys is not.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:03 AM   #12
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The only opinion you can give the OP is that I made a simple error in my answer. Kinda sad hmmm... yes?
hmm but that's not an opinion
as for the hand it's an obvious call
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:05 AM   #13
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...and we're getting better than 2:1 so we have the amount of eq needed to stack off. What planet are you living on?
Love the condescension when you're so wrong.

and more?

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lol, this is clearly not an easy fold if you were to fold here. It is very hard to say that he never does this with AK, which is what you'd have to say to justify the fold.
You need to learn about equity and pot odds.
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Old 09-14-2018, 07:54 AM   #14
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Re: Getting JJ in for 50bb

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Stacking aganst 50bb fish is ok with JJ.
Stacking against this guys is not.
Basically ^this^. I'm happy to stack off jacks vs a random shorty, but if villain is one of those shortstack regs (and the stats seem to indicate this one is), this is a sigh-fold. (They sometimes show up with TT, which makes it close).

Unfortunately, I've usually pressed the call button before I check the HUD or any notes I have on villain, but I like to colour-code the shorties ASAP (by checking how many tables they have open), because most of the 1-tablers with <100bb are fish, but the 50bb players with 4+ tables open are nit-regs with a face-up strategy.
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:46 PM   #15
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hmm but that's not an opinion
as for the hand it's an obvious call
In a world where I didnít give my opinion earlier in the thread, you are spot on.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:30 PM   #16
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Re: Getting JJ in for 50bb

how is thinking we're getting 1 to 2 odds an opinion?
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:01 PM   #17
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Re: Getting JJ in for 50bb

Can't really conclude anything based on 30 hands. A default NL2 shortstack's shoving range here is a lot wider than QQ+/AK+.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:34 PM   #18
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top of my folding range but calling isn't bad
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:36 PM   #19
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easy fold, guy with his stats playing SS is only shoving 46bb in with QQ+/AK
i dont get how its an easy fold if its the best hand you fold
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:51 PM   #20
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trivial get it in vs that stack in those positions
+1

Easy call.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:55 PM   #21
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how is thinking we're getting 1 to 2 odds an opinion?
So, you don't view opinions that are wrong as opinions at all? God, you're such an elitist. Go hang out with Aldolf Hitler and Kim Jong-Un, and leave the rest of us alone, thank you!

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Old 09-14-2018, 06:27 PM   #22
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An opinion that you know is wrong is no longer an opinion. You can't think that the sky is green when you know it's blue.
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Old 09-14-2018, 07:12 PM   #23
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