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11-23-2020 , 05:56 PM

superpoker666

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Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $78.45 (156.9 bb)
SB: $36.06 (72.1 bb)
Hero (BB): $50.00 (100 bb)
UTG: $52.60 (105.2 bb)
MP: $191.50 (383 bb)
CO: $84.68 (169.4 bb)

SB posts $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J

2 folds, CO raises to $1.12, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.62

Flop: ($2.49, 2 players) J

Hero checks, CO bets $1.00, Hero raises to $4.11, CO calls $3.11

Turn: ($10.71, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $8.03, CO calls $8.03

River: ($26.77, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, CO bets $71.42 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $26.77 pot ($1.09 rake)
Final Board: J

CO wins $25.44

Is this standard fold without a diamond? The Villain is random new player and no reads.

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11-23-2020 , 06:00 PM

Haizemberg93

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You can/should bet river. Plenty of hands that can call you weaker two pairs, Ax with diamond blocker or some bluff catchers.
When you almost turn your hand into bluff catcher

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11-23-2020 , 06:40 PM

superpoker666

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

You can/should bet river. Plenty of hands that can call you weaker two pairs, Ax with diamond blocker or some bluff catchers.
When you almost turn your hand into bluff catcher

Ya betting river seems to be better option, what size is preferred? We should probabaly use two sizing otr, big size for flush and small size for strong A and two pair type hands. And probably fold to a Jam?

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11-23-2020 , 07:22 PM

Spud Gun

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Bet fold is your friend on the river. Shame we don't hold the Jd blocker, but we presumably have enough flushes on the river to defend against a raise.

Overbet turn seems decent. River sizing I prefer to simplify. Betting big with flushes isn't great imo, as we likely just get called by worse flushes, jammed on by nut flushes and almost everything else folds out.

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11-23-2020 , 07:53 PM

superpoker666

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Originally Posted by Spud Gun

I am not sure overbetting is a thing or not after I check raise the flop. With this SPR, it is easy to GII otr.

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11-23-2020 , 08:19 PM

TRUSTtheDRAWCESS

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agree with b/f river.

AP, I'm folding river. After you x/r flop and continue turn, do you think most regs at your stake can find a bluff jam here? At mine, nobody would, incl. me.

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11-23-2020 , 10:48 PM

DooDooPoker

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I think XR bigger OTF - these two broadway boards get 6x vs 1/3 sizing. vs 40% sizing I'm sure it's at least 5x.

Turn is good. Not an OB spot. I don't think IP has a 3bet range here so he isn't capped.

Flush comes in so we block river. Can probably ship a small % of the time with strong flush/KdQx etc

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11-23-2020 , 11:09 PM

ionutd

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can bet turn bigger, he's in no position to play favorites with his good hands
block river looks reasonable

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11-23-2020 , 11:13 PM

superpoker666

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I haven't studied raise size yet. I use default 3/4 pot raise vs 1/3 cbet and 1/2 pot raise vs 1/2-3/4 cbet. On the board that favors the opener, we prefer larger raise size and on board that favors BB, we can raise more often and use smaller size.

Last edited by superpoker666; 11-23-2020 at 11:20 PM.

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11-23-2020 , 11:19 PM

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ionutd

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xr size looks good
general rule of thumb
5x vs 25-35%, unless the board is particularly dry or you xr a lot in that spot, then you go 4x
3-3.5x vs 66%+
4x vs in between

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11-23-2020 , 11:22 PM

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superpoker666

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Originally Posted by ionutd

xr size looks good
general rule of thumb
5x vs 25-35%, unless the board is particularly dry or you xr a lot in that spot, then you go 4x
3-3.5x vs 66%+
4x vs in between

Thanks ionutd.
What about IP raise? Do we prefer slightly smaller size when IP.
I think we also need to consider SPR. In 3/4 bet pot, we can decrease the raise size.

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11-23-2020 , 11:25 PM

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superpoker666

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I run the solver and it likes block betting 1/3 AJ on the river and will call most of the AJ vs if the Villain jams, even without a diamond. ott, all Ax goes into block betting range and all flushes/sets goes into jamming range.

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11-23-2020 , 11:27 PM

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ionutd

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ye ip raises are smaller and we adjust sizes in low spr spots, that was just a guide for srp ~100x deep

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