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04-25-2018 , 11:43 PM

bdf

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Where does this fall on the nit scale? Thought I would be chopping at best and maybe needed to dodge a FD. Something didn't feel right, so I went with my gut. In hindsight, villain could have just been clicking buttons as it was his first hand at the table.

Thoughts?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100 BB
BTN: 118 BB (VPIP: 33.64, PFR: 20.28, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 226)
Hero (SB): 214 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 8)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has K

CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8.5 BB, BB raises to 14.5 BB, CO calls 12 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (43.5 BB, 3 players) K

Hero checks, BB bets 10 BB, CO raises to 71.5 BB, fold, fold,

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04-26-2018 , 12:01 AM

.isolated

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There are 37.5 big blinds in the middle before you call the 4-bet. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

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04-26-2018 , 12:04 AM

nonsimplesimon

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I would gii pre.

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04-26-2018 , 12:05 AM

bdf

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Originally Posted by .isolated

There are 37.5 big blinds in the middle before you call the 4-bet. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

I don't intend this to be snarky....what's your point?

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04-26-2018 , 12:11 AM

nonsimplesimon

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Originally Posted by bdf

I don't intend this to be snarky....what's your point?

The point is there's a lot of dead money in there and we gain a lot by shoving here especially if he folds AK or QQ. Even if we are behind we are entitled to 40% of that which is a lot and we block aces nd kings.

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04-26-2018 , 12:14 AM

bdf

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fair points so far. as played preflop, what of the flop fold?

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04-26-2018 , 12:16 AM

nonsimplesimon

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I dislike it very much.

Edit - its hard to say though because I would either have the initiative by being the aggressor pre or I would have gii pre. Your hand is under repped as plahed so I would have a hard time folding even though he could in theory have all combos of sets and aces and as iso said he would probably wanna slow play those. He can also have spade draws but I dont see him having like 45 or straight combos. Would've been good to see the reads. How come they are missing?

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04-26-2018 , 12:18 AM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon

in addition to this, it pushes out CO's equity which is a cool side effect.

Flop fold is bad. You have an spr of ~2.5 and cutoff is basically repping 33 and 66 that beat you and those probably don't shove.

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04-26-2018 , 12:51 AM

bdf

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Thanks all. I was confused by the action i guess. I misplayed it terribly in hindsight. FML.

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04-26-2018 , 11:21 AM

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SharkytheFish

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The possibility of this kind of flop is exactly the reason you called the 4bet pre. You'r not calling pre because you think you have the best hand already.
The flush draws are another big reason to call the flop shove not a reason to fold. The low texture of the rest of the flop mean there's less sets in co villain's range and it's very hard for either opponent to have a set of KKs. Obviously BB villain has AA here sometimes but you'll commonly find one opponent has a fd and the other has a trainwrecked pp [QQ/JJ] in this spot.

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04-29-2018 , 07:20 PM

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djevans

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BB has 3bet 100% of his hands he has played so far - although you only have 8 hand sample.

GII pre flop - should of been a no brainer shove after the CO cold calls.

Flop is a dream - don't see how we can possibly fold here. Happily GII for 100BB

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04-30-2018 , 12:20 AM

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Scott7x

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C/O has weaker Kx in his range, Flush draws, possibly some middle PP's, don't fold flop here.
but just GII pre next time.

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04-30-2018 , 03:12 PM

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Bad Beat Bill

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If you're folding AK on a K63 board you probably shouldn't play it for a 4-bet in the first place. What are you hoping to flop, then?

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