Hi All,

I wanted to check if I am reading my fold to 3 bet stat correctly.

Over 1.1k hands my Fold to 3Bet is 85%

This is very high I think over this decent sample? What is an ideal Fold to 3Bet figure?

I will consciously try to fold less when I open from now on I guess....Is there anything specifically I could do to plug this leak? Maybe I could filter my PT4 to show me hands where ive been in spots facing a 3bet? Im not to clued up on PT4 filters so any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Could be variance. It would be better if you told us what kind of hands you fold to a 3bet in different situations.

Yes this is what I need to find out and see if I can see some obvious patterns....I will defo look into specific hands in my db, maybe I should be 4 bet bluffing more and flatting more decent hands IP?

No idea mate

Too small.

The way PT4 calculates fold to 3-bet is pretty bad. It counts folding when there's already been a 3-bet in front of you.

Don't do this. Have reasons to call. For instance, opening otb and facing a 3-bet. In that scenario, ask yourself if your hand is pretty. If yes, call. If no, fold.

That does seem high but way too small a sample as others have suggested.

I'd say a good number to shoot for is 70% but it depends a lot on what stake you are playing and how often you are opening the pot. If you are playing really low (2NL, 5NL) you probably want to be like 80%.

It's hard to give you a good answer because there are so many factors that should dictate whether you defend or not in a certain spot but filter through your database looking for the times you PFR and then fold to a 3bet and go through them one at a time and look for instances where you folded a hand that probably could have been a profitable call. I wouldn't make any drastic changes because 1K hands is really not a lot.

That's way too high

Around 60% to 65% ft3b i think is perfectly ok as a default . And you can have some very snug ranges from each position using those sorts of figures.

For a (presumably) newer player playing in the microstakes I think it's fine to be overfolding. We are going to be facing very unbalanced raises and will have a tough time navigating postflop until we get more hands under our belts.

Way too small of a sample, and it depends how much you're opening in different spots as well. 85% is very high. 65-55% is a better range when you get a larger sample. In and out of position fold to 3-bets is even more important, but you need at least 25k hands or more to really get an accurate picture. Leak Buster asks for 50k samples before you can even start to recognize that data has converged enough to give accurate feedback.

omg. Been using that stat since I started lol, at least that means I can stop worrying about overfolding lmao

Yes , work on some default preflop ranges. And with combonator


http://combonator.com/

Plug in your opening range from each position and click to postflop mode and in the options in the top right select postflop. Now you can begin to build a defending range with calls and 4bets vs a 3bet. Try and head for something around 55% to 65% folds from each position so your defending 35% to 45% from each position.

Basic opening ranges from each position can be easily found online or youtube with a quick search. Just type 6 max opening ranges.

There's a separate ft3b after raising stat. That's the one you wanna look at.

Yeah, you want to utilise RFI and then fold stats IP and OOP.

Still, 85% sounds like you’re going to be overfolding on your opens- I’d guess about 60% which is a bit high I think.

Once you get those stats up and running, aim for just under 50% total- slightly more OOP and slightly less IP.

Thanks for the advice. I will definitely compare RFI by position and check my fold IP & OOP.

I'm a beginner, on a 7k sample my fold to 3bet is around 30%. I'm not sure about the exact number, I'm not at home right now. I think it heavily depends on your other stats. If you are tight (below 20/15) you can comfortably call more, as your opening range is quite strong.

Your calling 3bets far to wide.

Now I've just checked it, it's only 24%. I guess it is really a wide range, although I'm not sure at the level I play (NL5) many people are able to exploit it, am I wrong?
I've tried to filter out hands in which I called a 3bet to see how was my profit on them, but it seems like I just don't have this option in hand2note. There's an option to filter hands where I face 2 raises preflop, but those are only hands when the original raiser have been 3bet and it all happened before I could act.

I would expect your very wrong. Are you sure your calling 76% of the time vs a 3bet ? or do you mean your calling 24% vs the 3bet and folding 76% of the time ?.

Well, I've just played a session, now it's 27%, but yes this is the percentage of folding. By the way, I think I realized how to filter it in hand2note, seems like I'm about breakeven at calling 3bets so far.
I would like to ask you where you think I should post my graph and my stats, so that kind people might provide me advices on what to improve. I know some of my stats are just waaay to fishy, like 38VPIP and then this fold to 3bet, but somehow I play my natural style with frequent adjusting and I'm a 24/100bb winner at NL5 so far. In addition, my results are way below my EV according to my graph.
Thank you in advance .)

Id post them either in here or the beginners section , probably in this section though seen as this is where your posting your HH's. Also 1.1k hands is a really tiny sample size and pretty meaningless.

Ok, I will make pictures and as soon as I figure out how to insert them here I post them here .)
Also, it is not 1,1k, but something like 7k, though I know quite small sample. I only play on one table, it's been 30 days to get this sample.

don't bother, 7k hands is meaningless

So here is my stats:
VPIP 38 and PFR20, I know this is very loose preflop



And here is the graph:



I appreciate any input on them .)

7k hands is enough to go over your stats. It's just no good for your bb/100 and ev etc... , Also try playing 2 tables so your not wanting to get involved in every situation. It should have the affect of tightening your game up a bit.