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08-16-2019 , 09:30 AM
villain is 83/52
seen him donk min bets or beggar bets with nuts like sets, nut flush or trips on paired board.

what to do here?
fold pre?
check flop and then barrel?
Shove all in?
Raise the donk bet turn? shove on non heart river?


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    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $122.29 (122.3 bb)
    BB: $117.19 (117.2 bb)
    MP: $105.84 (105.8 bb)
    CO: $121.51 (121.5 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $100 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 Q
    MP calls $1, CO folds, Hero raises to $4.50, SB folds, BB calls $3.50, MP calls $3.50

    Flop: ($14) 3 5 T (3 players)
    BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $8.85, BB calls $8.85, MP folds

    Turn: ($31.70) Q (2 players)
    BB bets $7, Hero ??,

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    08-16-2019 , 10:16 AM
    Block betting to get a cheap showdown..idk the right play but when I'm this high up in my range I'm putting in a small raise here

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    08-16-2019 , 11:30 AM
    Raise, they will call you much wider than they should
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    08-16-2019 , 11:59 AM
    To continue on that FLOP to that bet sizing, his continuing range has to be strong. So it should look like this:

    Quote:
    JJ, TdTs, TdTc, TsTc, 5d5s, 5d5c, 5s5c, 3d3s, 3d3c, 3s3c, AhKh, AhJh, Ah8h, Kh8h, Ah7h, Kh7h, Ah6h, Kh6h, Ah4h, Kh4h, Ah2h, Kh2h, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, KhJd, KhJs, KhJc
    Overpair (unlikely) sets, made flushes or backdoor draws.

    When the turn comes and he donk bets, his range pretty much stays the same minus the overpair, but your equity advantage increases to 58%.

    Going on this alone, a small raise seems like a sensible option. Shoving maximises your equity advantage, but it's possible you'll run into the top of his range based upon your reads of him. Or a shove might mean he'll fold out his sets, which you might otherwise have been able to extract some value from on the river.

    If you do shove or raise though, his continuing range would look more like this:

    Quote:
    AhKh,AhJh,Ah8h,Kh8h,Ah7h,Kh7h,Ah6h,Kh6h,Ah4h,Kh4h, Ah2h,Kh2h,AhKd,AhKs,AhKc,AhJd,AhJs,AhJc,KhJd,KhJs, KhJc
    Made nut + 2nd nut flush and backdoor A/K flush (because fish obviously do this). I am not sure he would call wider than this to a fairly sized raise.

    Your equity vs this range is 36%.

    So to me, you should call this turn and keep his sets/backdoor flush within his range.

    River is trickier because of the fact he could be bluff-shoving sets/missed backdoors on non-hearts.

    I play much lower than you however and I am just trying to think about this as best as I currently can. I'd be interested to hear others thoughts on what I've said.
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    08-16-2019 , 01:29 PM
    Bigger flop and raise turn big, not leaving anything on the table vs fish when we flop a flush and get action
    Such a good table at 100$ buy in with limper and whale
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    08-16-2019 , 01:30 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Minimal23
    To continue on that FLOP to that bet sizing, his continuing range has to be strong. So it should look like this:



    Overpair (unlikely) sets, made flushes or backdoor draws.

    When the turn comes and he donk bets, his range pretty much stays the same minus the overpair, but your equity advantage increases to 58%.

    Going on this alone, a small raise seems like a sensible option. Shoving maximises your equity advantage, but it's possible you'll run into the top of his range based upon your reads of him. Or a shove might mean he'll fold out his sets, which you might otherwise have been able to extract some value from on the river.

    If you do shove or raise though, his continuing range would look more like this:



    Made nut + 2nd nut flush and backdoor A/K flush (because fish obviously do this). I am not sure he would call wider than this to a fairly sized raise.

    Your equity vs this range is 36%.

    So to me, you should call this turn and keep his sets/backdoor flush within his range.

    River is trickier because of the fact he could be bluff-shoving sets/missed backdoors on non-hearts.

    I play much lower than you however and I am just trying to think about this as best as I currently can. I'd be interested to hear others thoughts on what I've said.
    He's 83/52 so far. More than likely after calling the flop, he can have:

    100% of flush combos, which you're a little better than 50/50 against.
    sets.
    100% of his possible hands that have one heart.
    Most or all pocket pairs.
    all possible 2pair combos, except maybe 53o.
    Qx with a heart.
    All Tx, with or without a heart.
    some 5x, maybe with or without a heart.

    idk how many of those hands donk the turn, but I would raise because I think he can do this with much worse hands that will never fold, including some hearts that are drawing dead.
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    08-16-2019 , 04:12 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Minimal23
    So to me, you should call this turn and keep his sets/backdoor flush within his range.

    River is trickier because of the fact he could be bluff-shoving sets/missed backdoors on non-hearts.


    2 things bother me calling that donk bet.
    he has done it with nuts and sets

    if i call and then river comes a or pairs the board.. now i have even bigger headache..

    Consensus seems to be raise/ raise big

    what about shove on the turn? set/FD/nut flush will call right? I beat 2 out of 3 hand groupings..?
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    08-16-2019 , 04:26 PM
    V can find some correct folds vs shove, rather keep him in with a smaller raise to set up river jam
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    08-16-2019 , 04:31 PM
    $16-$18 should be good. will set us up with a PSB on river.
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    08-16-2019 , 10:07 PM
    let's make some more money with our flush
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    08-17-2019 , 01:51 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ionutd
    let's make some more money with our flush
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by thegibson
    $16-$18 should be good. will set us up with a PSB on river.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2019fish2019
    V can find some correct folds vs shove, rather keep him in with a smaller raise to set up river jam
    got it thanks..
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    08-18-2019 , 12:25 PM
    Raise turn. Vs range includes many sets , nut flush draws, Fdraws drawing dead and worse made flushes than yours. He’s way too loose. 18 seems reasonable.
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