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10-22-2020 , 05:26 PM
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NL Holdem 0.10(BB)
BTN ($12.07) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 21.1% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 19]
SB ($14.49) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 17.2% | AGG: 35.3% | Hands: 1687]
BB ($8.95) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 16.8% | AGG: 41.9% | Hands: 6787]
UTG ($15.33) [VPIP: 31.7% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 28.3% | Flop Agg: 32% | Turn Agg: 25% | River Agg: 25% | 3-Bet: 5.1% | 4-Bet: 50% | Hands: 102]
HERO ($19.52) [VPIP: 24.4% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 35.7% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 29.1% | River Agg: 31.9% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 56.6% | 4-Bet: 16.3% | Hands: 337272]
CO ($12.59) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 34.4% | Hands: 468]

Dealt to Hero: K A

UTG Raises To $0.25, HERO Raises To $0.78, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Calls $0.53

Hero SPR on Flop: [8.51 effective]
Flop ($1.71): A K 3
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $1.28 (Rem. Stack: $17.46), UTG Raises To $14.55 (allin), HERO ?
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10-22-2020 , 05:53 PM
just fold this deep lol we are probably looking at a chop at best a lot

if you are bothered, you will have sets and a bunch of flushes here
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10-22-2020 , 06:02 PM
That cbet looks to big.
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10-22-2020 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
That cbet looks to big.
I agree, we want to bet small on monotone boards with every hand that we bet.
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10-22-2020 , 10:08 PM
It’s fine cause villain shouldn’t have many flushes here
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10-23-2020 , 12:01 AM
Okay cbet is a little big - it should be 50% sizing.

What do we do vs the ship?
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10-23-2020 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Okay cbet is a little big - it should be 50% sizing.

What do we do vs the ship?
How many flushes do you have in this spot?
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10-23-2020 , 05:37 AM
ugh what a **** spot
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10-23-2020 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ImpracticalPoker
How many flushes do you have in this spot?
like 4 or 5
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10-23-2020 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by yasuo
It’s fine cause villain shouldn’t have many flushes here
villain should have a lot of flushes here. More than us. Given they're a weaker player with this stupid ass line they probably have even more than they should
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10-23-2020 , 02:24 PM
So we have to be right ~ 80% to call this overbet shove, on a board where villain has few (any?) bluffs.

Feels bad to let it go but what choice is there?
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10-23-2020 , 02:53 PM
no way i am folding unless villain is unbelievble passiv
Villain has a lot of hands with Qh
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10-23-2020 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by wacker1913
Villain has a lot of hands with Qh
Such as?
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10-23-2020 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
Such as?
Just think a little bit and you will find the answer by yourself...
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10-23-2020 , 06:20 PM
QJhh?
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10-23-2020 , 07:10 PM
The only naked Qh villain might have here is AxQh, and there's really not a reason to shove that hand on the flop.
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10-23-2020 , 09:51 PM
errrr call?
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10-24-2020 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
The only naked Qh villain might have here is AxQh, and there's really not a reason to shove that hand on the flop.
AxQh and KxQh and some random Qh which fishes are calling at NL10.
I dont think a flush is jamming. I guess its either 33 or QhX or a random spew (or maybe a chop)

I would call this nearly always...
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10-24-2020 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by wacker1913
AxQh and KxQh and some random Qh which fishes are calling at NL10.
In theory: Not - AQo is 4bet/fold, KQo is pure fold

In practice: ok fish can have those hands, but are they ever overbetting jamming a Qh here? My database would suggest not. Feel free to provide any examples.

We're really hoping he's misplaying A3s, but that's a big reach. Stack preserving sigh/fold required imo.
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10-24-2020 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
In theory: Not - AQo is 4bet/fold, KQo is pure fold

In practice: ok fish can have those hands, but are they ever overbetting jamming a Qh here? My database would suggest not. Feel free to provide any examples.

We're really hoping he's misplaying A3s, but that's a big reach. Stack preserving sigh/fold required imo.
Agreed with stack preserving/fold. Theory play against these types of players is usually out the window in NL10. Slow playing AA or KK pre and jamming to protect their hand seems out of the question since you hold blockers. Could be holding a set of 3's and jamming. Could also have a heart and you risk losing to a flush. Could also have some OJ combo (again in theory villain should fold preflop but.. ya know.) Just to be clear, villain jamming with any of those potential hands is the incorrect move, we've all just seen really questionable play at this level.

Against this type of competition its a fold for me and move onto the next hand.
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10-24-2020 , 11:59 AM
Strange - no way I am ever folding here...
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10-24-2020 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by whitelie10
Agreed with stack preserving/fold. Theory play against these types of players is usually out the window in NL10. Slow playing AA or KK pre and jamming to protect their hand seems out of the question since you hold blockers. Could be holding a set of 3's and jamming. Could also have a heart and you risk losing to a flush. Could also have some OJ combo (again in theory villain should fold preflop but.. ya know.) Just to be clear, villain jamming with any of those potential hands is the incorrect move, we've all just seen really questionable play at this level.

Against this type of competition its a fold for me and move onto the next hand.
Stack preserving? This is no tournament. We have to do the move with most EV.
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