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09-19-2017 , 03:35 PM

Goobus

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Sticky spot on river...villain is 16/14 with not many stats on turn/river. Really felt like he could have flopped a set or have something like AJ/AK. Seems like a fold.

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BTN: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $6.83 (341.5 bb)
BB: $5.41 (270.5 bb)
MP: $2 (100 bb)
CO: $2.06 (103 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

MP raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.05, BB folds

Flop: ($0.14) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.14) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.08, MP raises to $0.26, Hero calls $0.18

River: ($0.66) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.68 and is all-in, Hero?

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09-19-2017 , 03:39 PM

FreakDaddy

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Doesn't make a ton of sense for him to check that flop w/ a set. But AK/AJ are highly probable. With those stats I think you can fold the river, especially since you have the nut flush draw yourself.

Not sure why you didn't c/c the turn though. But yeah, river is a fold.

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09-19-2017 , 03:49 PM

Rikk

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Don't like the flat pre. Think betting turn is okay though. Folding river too.

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09-19-2017 , 04:21 PM

Bladesman87

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Should be checking an A on the turn always.

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09-19-2017 , 10:40 PM

Goobus

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Thanks for the replies everyone. Question: Why is it a x/c instead of a b/c, for pot control?

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09-20-2017 , 12:28 AM

FoldOnce

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The ace is perceived as a very good card for MP's range. He raised preflop, and checked back on a low, wet board. I would think his range is missed broadways, suited aces. The stuff in an MP opening range that didn't flop equity. You can expect him to bet often on the ace, for value and as a bluff. It's just a spot where it makes sense to check everything and let him do the betting.

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09-20-2017 , 02:15 AM

Goobus

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Originally Posted by FoldOnce

Thanks for explaining. I have a lot to learn.

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09-20-2017 , 02:21 AM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by FoldOnce

Just want to +1 this for OP. Very well explained imo.

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09-20-2017 , 02:41 AM

Goobus

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Double posted

Last edited by Goobus; 09-20-2017 at 02:41 AM. Reason: Double posted

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09-20-2017 , 03:45 AM

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Goobus

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Do you guys think 3b pre is fine? I've been playing quite loose (30/24 with 10% 3b) so I didn't think I'd get much credit for it, and Villain's MP raising range seems pretty strong since he's 16/14 (tighter even from MP over 64 hands), meaning I'd end up playing a bloated pot OOP against a TAG. Do you think I could even have folded pre here? Or is that too tight? Or do you think villain's range here is wider than I think?

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09-20-2017 , 05:12 AM

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Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by Goobus

Thanks for the replies everyone. Question: Why is it a x/c instead of a b/c, for pot control?

How does betting achieve any pot control?

Villain has more Ax in his range, and more of the strongest Ax. That means he should be betting this turn a huge amount the times he picks up a pair and with bluffs. Betting doesn't achieve much but it does make it hard for villain to make a mistake.

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09-20-2017 , 05:24 AM

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Rikk

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

How does betting achieve any pot control?

I think OP meant: "Why is it a x/c instead of a b/c? Is it for pot control?"

Good points made by others about betting turn, I'm now persuaded.

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09-20-2017 , 05:43 AM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by Goobus

Folding is way way way too tight. Way too tight. Even if villain's range is 15% from MP, we're still 58% against this (that was raw equity, not playability equity). I'd elect to call because I think if we 3-bet and end up playing a big pot, we're always going to be on the losing side because he's probably not defending AJ, KQo, etc.. Here we disguise the strength of our hand while not bloating the pot against better hands and keeping his dominated hands in.

Last edited by .isolated; 09-20-2017 at 05:43 AM. Reason: folding pre is too tight. way too tight.

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09-20-2017 , 08:51 AM

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c.montecristo

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AQo 3bet/fold vs him and AQs its ok to flat vs this guy c/c ott and c/c otr ots ok as played fold otr

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09-20-2017 , 01:18 PM

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Goobus

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Thanks guys.

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