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Originally Posted by siebenacht
why would you check all you Tx otf? makes zero sense to me. this texture is basically a 3 straight. I am personally betting here any tp, 2nd pair good kicker, high equity draws and airballs in order to have a polarized cbetting range.
If we aren't cbetting our Tx we miss out on so much valuebetting potential on a superwet flop and at the same time don't protect our equity. so many bad cards that could come ott.
im am curious to know what your cbetting range on such a flop looks like if you're leaving out the most obvious valuebets.
I didn't say check all Tx, I said you could argue for it. Effectively, multi way and oop, even on relatively favourable boards, you can argue for a range check. However, boards don't get much more unfavourable for you than this one.
When you look at MDF for villains in this spot, it is about 57%. That means they can probably continue with roughly 29% of their range without overfolding. And I don't think either will have to call any 8x that doesn't also have a draw to meet that frequency. I reckon they can even be folding some FD or oesd and still meet that frequency.
So, I'd argue that betting JT otf will only get called by hands which have you crushed, or which have pretty strong equity vs it. My guess is that any Tx you bet otf (which doesn't have 2 pairs) will have less than 50% equity vs a continue range, and most Tx will have less than 50% equity vs a calling range. That's why I'd argue that, other than AT (maybe), betting Tx may not even be a value bet.
Obviously, this is just my personal view of the situation, and I could well be wrong.