I decided to check the flop, I do such things often with weaker aces OOP partially to balance when I check such flops with JJ-KK( I also bet these some of the time) partially not to valueown myself when villain is holding AQ/AK. Anyways what do you do on the river?


BTN: 130.9 BB (VPIP: 18.73, PFR: 15.27, 3Bet Preflop: 4.66, Hands: 1,922)
SB: 48.4 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
Hero (BB): 117.7 BB
CO: 106.9 BB (VPIP: 23.34, PFR: 16.94, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 1,444)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J A

CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) 4 T A
Hero checks, CO bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

Turn: (36.5 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, CO bets 22 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

River: (80.5 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, CO bets 66.9 BB, Hero ??

Probably fold more than call. I dont think villains triple barrel KJcc on this runout. But KTcc and QTcc they do as well as AK,AQ,AJ,AT. Checking this flop is good, you will have better Ax to cbet with and AJ is probably close to bottom of 3b range (unless you 3b bluff A2-A5s then AJ could be a bet)

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i dont know why you would check this flop , u dont have a "bad" ace...
a bad ace would be like A2-A9. there are plenty of draws to charge.
more importantly, you dont need to protect your checking range because you shouldnt have one.. u shud be betting full range on this board. if anything this suggests youre over checking these flop types, as the PF aggressor

i noticed you always 3 bet 3x oop and put villain on way too strong hands.
1. you really need to size up.
2. accept the fact that the preflop raiser can call your 3 bet with pretty much any suited hand. If i would be CO, vs that size i would only fold off suit broadways. literally. If villain has here AK/AQ...well that happens but the truth his range is probably so f****** wide that he can show up with anything.


River can call/fold. Villain is repping very thin here. his tight 3 bet stat makes me want to fold river, because it seems like he does not like playing 3 bet pots so he probably does not tripple barrel bluff too much

But doesnt range bet OTF just postpone the balancing problem to the turn, where I will have to check JJ-KK most of the time and therefore have to include some Ax hands for balance?

What size should my default 3b be?

Regarding 2., I see your point but I play relatively low NL10-20 and most people aren't calling T9s etc, so they usualy come to the flop with pretty strong ranges.

wp if you folded river. AQ/AK are going for 3 streets

in my experience, these weak nitty regs with low 3b% tend to a) fold a good amount to 3b pre and b) not 4b too much ip, AK included. they wouldn't really need to either with the way they set up their 4b ranges

flop x is nice, idk how many Ax you 3b in these positions but AJ is usually one of your weak tp, need to check some of these to protect KK-JJ

I guess you can cbet range for 25%p or so but I don't see your opp making a lot of mistakes vs a small size and turns don't really get any easier to play. you're better off polarizing imo.

Yes, but you get to see a free-ish card with hands that cant check-call a bet.

i dont know on what site you are playing, but stating that low stakes population massively overfolds vs 3 bets and dont even call T9s is ridiculous. And if that is true, why are you not 3 betting half your range? you would turn an instant profit.

you should at least 3 bet 4x oop. if the first raise is smaller you can even go bigger. vs a 2/2.5bb open preflop solver prefer a 5x 3 bet OOP. priority is to set up a certain SPR.

edit:
FWIW my default 3 bet OOP is 12bb unless villain open smaller than 2.5bb then it is 5x. so vs 2.2 bb i 3 bet 11bb.

First of all thanks for that and all the other answers in my threads its much appreciated .I will implement different sizing into my 3b OOP as of today, as far as IP 3b is 3x ok? Regarding my read on population, they arent necissarly overfolding if they fold T9s you mentioned in post above that vs my sizing you would only fold offsuit broadways, thats exactly the hands most players call with especially AJ,AQ,KQ some call also KJ/AT so if you look at players open % and their calling range just because they exclude stuff like T9s doesnt mean they are overfolding. On another note I am interested why so you chose to fold all offsuit broadways i mean at least AQ,KQ seam like slam dunk calls to me?

I used to use 3-4x for 3bets until a few days ago. I'm looking into some different stats, and my 3bet success is 39%. That seems really low, meaning people call with all kinds of trash hands?

60% is pretty normal 3b defend
you will do well 3b larger oop and vice versa
also, as a general rule of thumb, you size up when your range is narrower and size down when you 3b wider, like in re-steal spots

an unusual small 3 bet sizing often also means a stronger 3 betting range. KQo or KJo cant do much vs that range. i would rather call with 64s, being able to make straights, 2 pair or trips and still getting in all the money. I.E. when you have AA. do you rathe get in all your money on KK7 or 447 ?
I just defend wider vs your small sizing than usual and the first hands to fold are off suit broadways because they do make the 2nd best hand a lot.

You are right though and i do forget that often. people have different opinions about hand strength. i see someone defending KJo vs a 3 bet i think he is way overcalling while he might just value the wrong hands and might fold hands he should actually defend with.

What you are saying makes alot of sense and I should definatly improve in that regard, I dont defend KJo practicaly ever but KQo was an 100% defend untill now except vs nits who 3b like 4%. So that makes me think, do you also sometimes include KQo or even KJo vs players who 3b alot like 9%+ because their range often consists of small pocket pairs and Axs, like do you have a set decision making process vs specific villain types for defending something like "if his 3b% is 9%+ I will call KJo+, ATo+ vs 6% 3b I will fold KQo but call T9s" what I am asking is how to develop a good fundamental thought process with these stuff?

Tighter ranges have your offsuit broadways dominated. In position and opening from late positions KQo is a defend in general since you can better control the size of the pot and villains are restealing wider like you said. You definitely want to look at positional 3b stats, some people at the micros resteal too much and 3b very tight vs early position opens which should change your defending ranges significantly.

pre I lean towards flatting vs such a passive reg

if he had higher 3bet or higher open or something I'd lean towards 3betting

3betting is obviously fine too tho

think line is good, sucks he is barreling. tbh I'd pitch it since he does look on the tighter side but we are fairly high up in our range so calling is aryt too

also Tx seems a lot better for us and might induce some checks with Ax so he is more polar imo, tough spot for sure

If they don't 3bet a lot themselves, I always assume they give a lot of credit to 3bets.
He might be a little wider because of your small sizing and our resteal possibility, but I still think a big part of his range exists of 99-QQ (4betting only KK and AA), ATs, AJ+. That is about 1/3 of his opening range. That is 42 combo's

Of all these hands, I don't think he makes a float bet on the flop when he at least has an AX hand, TT and half his QQ. So say he makes this bet with 24 combo's.

On the turn, he would be happy to take QQ and half of his AQ's and AK's to showdown checking. So now he only bets AT(2), AQ+(8) and TT (3). So there is nothing we beat, unless we hit a J.

On the River, he probably checks AQ+. Making this an easy fold since I don't think there is a lot he can have

As far as your checking range on the flop goes, don't that include a lot of A2s-A5s, KQs and maybe some more hands you should Cbet that flop with. I would Cbet this flop close to 100% of the time, because I have a lot of TPHK and 2Pairs in my range. That would force a lot of non aces to fold.

I would also double barrel a lot and triple barrel a fair chunk on that river, but that is highly dependent on my opponent. If he is tight and folds a lot to 3bets, I would be happy to check the hand out after a flop Cbet

only if our starting range was too wide in the first place, otherwise it's just fine. ott we will check some cards and bet others, one may be surprised how many cbet and give ups there r in a balanced strat. at the end of the day u got tpgk n there r draws to charge,here

This. I came to this naturally through trial and error, but as Zuko says, it's "solver approved".