I decided to check flop as this board is very favorable for him to c/r not sure if that was correct? Anyways on the river I feel he shouldn't have many 9x, but considering we are deep he could call 3b in position a bit wider. What do you do?

(6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.99, PFR: 22.64, 3Bet Preflop: 10.10, Hands: 335)
UTG: 198.15 BB (VPIP: 21.39, PFR: 11.96, 3Bet Preflop: 5.92, Hands: 1,173)
CO: 605.75 BB (VPIP: 29.32, PFR: 21.91, 3Bet Preflop: 13.73, Hands: 618)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.24, PFR: 16.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.26, Hands: 391)
Hero (SB): 215.45 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 7 J 8
Hero checks, CO bets 11.4 BB, Hero calls 11.4 BB

Turn: (41.8 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (41.8 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, CO bets 58 BB, Hero ???

i like how you played your hand postflop (i hope you didnt call on the river)

i would like to ask you what you think Villains range looks like (calling your 3 bet) and what your own range would be (if you were CO).

butchered IMO. thats a really bad flop check, were betting for value and protection and so high in our range were likely doing the same OTT. OTR XC

You butchered the hand from the get go

Raise 11bb pre at least

CB flop WTF?

insta fold river

??? You really dont wanna get in 200bb on the flop with aces, gin checking hand with As too. But you need to make it bigger pre, 12-15bb since were deep oop. Fold river, you block spades and dont block straights/2p/sets

So first of all flop is close to a range check oop at 200bb effective.

Flop does not have to be a cbet, but if we check aa on this flop it should be with the intention of mostly raising.

wp if you folded sir

well WTF to that

Difficult call on the river but of your own making, you checked the flop you check the turn and river why???? You have to make him pay for draws, on the flop we need to bet a min of 1/2 pot maybe a little more would be better because if he calls we know he is drawing or hit a set. If he folds he missed the flop and you lose nothing as he most likely would not put anything else in the pot anyway. The check on the turn is even worse a 5 is not going to change much if we bet the flop again we have to bet a min of 1/2 pot to make him pay for the draw. We need to fire again on the river 1/3 of the pot he could have Qs, Ks and if he shoves we fold, remember we are only losing here 30% of the time so overall a profitable play.

Do we fold if he raises a turn bet after betting flop and turn?

This is mostly bad advise.

as stated before by other users, this is a default range check. No betting happening here.

wym? its a 3b pot and we have the best op on a mega drawy board. there is a lot to get value from here

I don’t mind if you called river

More Important is that CO Range is Raping us on that Flop. ( we mostly do not have 88/77/T9/87/65 in our range) CO has everything, even JJ in his range. so being 200bb deep and have created an SPR of 10, we should focus on protecting our Range. Since our range is f**** on that flop being that deep we start of by checking range.

I don't think he's bluffing near enough. So many straights, 2p, sets, etc...

i see what you're saying, and there are absolutely boards and spots where we're either X or B full range, but, i think the board isnt as much in his favor as one may assume, and we are relatively high in our range.

what kind of ranges are you thinking here? if we give us tt+, all suited face cards, kjo+ ato+ and a few weighted S.C/ Axs which is 11%



and his calling range 22-jj weighted qq/ak. all suited aces, all suited & unsuited broadways 56s+ 86s+ which is 22% maybe he folds all of that to a 3b oop, and maybe hero has tight 3b stat so IDK.


note: when i remove all of the offsuit broadway and axs from his calling range, our equity actually goes up..


i cant do weights in EL but dabbling a few s.c in there he will have tp or better 25% of the time in equilab and then about 6% fds and oesds, we're actually very similar and the equity split is about 45/55 him.

pio reflects this with a pretty mixed betting/checking strat of 50/50.
i think this is because he will actually turn up here with a lot of missed broadways/tp/mp/draw type stuff, not just sets and straights, so AA is pretty high up there.

ofc this is contingent upon my ranges, but i think they're pretty accurate and youd have to really tweak them to see a large shift. in summation i dont think he smashes this board as hard as we may assume.

I obviously dont know how you set up your Sims (Hero is most likely not 3 betting 11% SB vs CO, and most likely not 87s/T9s) but being that deep and OOP equity of 45% leads to a massive EV disadvantage and usually a range check. maybe you did run the sim for 100bb? because with 100bb there is a mix between X and Bet

KJo, ATo should be low frequency for hero, and 200bb deep propably just always folding

22% is way too big of a calling range for V, hes folding all offsuit broadways for sure, the suited onegappers i'd guess are breakeven at 200bb deep, 100bb they are snapfolds

I disagree checking is the worst of any option here, we are only checking to trap or slow play, our hand is weak and vulnerable

but you want to put money into the pot with it

I understand the arguments for checking flop, but we dont get any information of opponents hands by checking, i think thebest play is, if we cbet something 33% and in turn bigger some like 66% pot, we'll get much better understanding where we stand with our hand. If he reraises us, that's an easy fold. Ap river is easy fold.

Checking the flop 100% with this hand (and I will be 3betting 77/88 in hero's spot sometimes). Betting the flop is bad for a million reasons this deep. Probably would want to check like 95% of my range here.

Folding the river 100% with this hand. We get to fold this very comfortably versus his range/sizing.

Have not seen a single good reason posted for betting the flop. All random nonsense (protection, information).

I have to back u up on this Sir

I would 3bet a bit bigger and the flop is an easy bet for a decent amount with a blocker to the flush, to protect give him bad odds for his potential straight or flush draws

Its not protection if V doesn't fold.