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Old 04-03-2021, 12:45 PM   #1
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($15.60)
BB ($36.32)
HERO ($25)
HJ ($24.50)
CO ($25)

Dealt to Hero: A K

HERO Raises To $0.50, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, BB Calls $0.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [24.5 effective]
Flop ($1): J A 6
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.71 (Rem. Stack: $23.79), BB Calls $0.71 (Rem. Stack: $35.11)

Turn ($2.42): J A 6 4
BB Checks, HERO Bets $2.80 (Rem. Stack: $20.99), BB Calls $2.80 (Rem. Stack: $32.31)

River ($8.02): J A 6 4 K
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Old 04-03-2021, 12:55 PM   #2
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

Probably most of the time

I don't really like theoretically overfolding in general, but one of the worst possible rivers facing a ~2.5x is prob a good spot to do so
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Old 04-03-2021, 01:12 PM   #3
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

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Probably most of the time

I don't really like theoretically overfolding in general, but one of the worst possible rivers facing a ~2.5x is prob a good spot to do so
When you say most of the time - does that mean you are using an RNG on the river?
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Old 04-03-2021, 01:23 PM   #4
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

I think theoretically, it is probably quite close, but you should have a lot of flushes that take this line, and I think you can get away with just calling those. Usually, I'd say having the Ac would be a great card to have to bluff catch, but what can villain bluff if he doesn't have the Ac? Maybe the Qc, but it seems like there are not that many flushes he would want to be jamming with, as you can have a lot of them as well, so I think he could be relatively balanced by just jamming his A and Q high flushes, and jamming all his offsuit Acx hands.

So, I'd say calling down with your flushes, maybe your straights, and maybe AxQc, would be somewhere near optimal. This is still a pretty good hand to be calling down with though. I don't know if it is a mistake or not theoretically, but I think it will be fairly close. MDF here is around 28%, so you don't have to call too many hands.
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Old 04-03-2021, 01:36 PM   #5
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

villain have qtcc
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Old 04-03-2021, 01:37 PM   #6
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Old 04-03-2021, 01:39 PM   #7
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

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When you say most of the time - does that mean you are using an RNG on the river?
Kind of, I don't use an actual random number generator, I just use card order and/or time
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Old 04-04-2021, 07:45 AM   #8
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

he's going to lack natural bluffs after he called 2 big bets on that texture and possible flush rivered
unless you think he starts jamming Ax, no bluff catching is needed
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Old 04-04-2021, 01:38 PM   #9
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he's going to lack natural bluffs after he called 2 big bets on that texture and possible flush rivered
unless you think he starts jamming Ax, no bluff catching is needed
We can't play the same on this site the way we do on pstars though. Completely different animal.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($15.60)
BB ($36.32)
HERO ($25)
HJ ($24.50)
CO ($25)

Dealt to Hero: A K

HERO Raises To $0.50, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, BB Calls $0.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [24.5 effective]
Flop ($1): J A 6
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.71 (Rem. Stack: $23.79), BB Calls $0.71 (Rem. Stack: $35.11)

Turn ($2.42): J A 6 4
BB Checks, HERO Bets $2.80 (Rem. Stack: $20.99), BB Calls $2.80 (Rem. Stack: $32.31)

River ($8.02): J A 6 4 K
BB Bets $32.31 (allin), HERO Calls $20.99 (allin)

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Old 04-04-2021, 01:48 PM   #10
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

yes, a little late, but I would have called. 2 pair or better for the call. Now, 4 to a flush on board, 4 to a straight, well, its a see you hand.
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Old 04-04-2021, 06:55 PM   #11
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

Calling at and then turning it into bluff on river is reckless play, i dont see a reason why you cant have a flush here, villain is just a fish, or future Tom Dwan or Daniel Cates, but sometimes absurd plays work, on stars you get rekt in long run with such plays, villain i mean. I think you have more natural bluffs, like mid pairs with flush and str8 blocker, definitely not at.
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Old 04-04-2021, 07:39 PM   #12
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

I would typically overfold these spots, but this looks like spew to me so I call with Ac. You really should stop posting results altogether though.

I would expect to see something more along the lines of JXxc or KQcx. I did play like 70k hands of 25z for the bankroll challenge I did though, and there was a lot of random spew stuff so I just close eyes and call in spots that don't make any sense a decent chunk of the time. "spew factor" / "fish factor" very relevant.

As someone says above he is repping 1 combo. GL me and call.
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Old 04-04-2021, 10:43 PM   #13
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I would typically overfold these spots, but this looks like spew to me so I call with Ac. You really should stop posting results altogether though.

I would expect to see something more along the lines of JXxc or KQcx. I did play like 70k hands of 25z for the bankroll challenge I did though, and there was a lot of random spew stuff so I just close eyes and call in spots that don't make any sense a decent chunk of the time. "spew factor" / "fish factor" very relevant.

As someone says above he is repping 1 combo. GL me and call.
What's the rationale behind not posting results at the end of the thread?
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Old 04-04-2021, 11:54 PM   #14
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

Probably a dumb question, but what is the rational for only opening 2bb here pre?
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:22 AM   #15
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Probably a dumb question, but what is the rational for only opening 2bb here pre?
I don't get it either. We're talking about raising more and calling less bc of high rake, and then betting smaller (generally in the recent posts). Makes no sense to me.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:47 AM   #16
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Probably a dumb question, but what is the rational for only opening 2bb here pre?
More range cbets OTF + wider range for your opponents.

MMA Sherdog told me this and he's up like 450k this year already so I'm gonna go with it.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:55 AM   #17
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

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More range cbets OTF + wider range for your opponents.

MMA Sherdog told me this and he's up like 450k this year already so I'm gonna go with it.
I guess that makes sense. What's he doing with his 3bet and 4bet sizing?
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Old 04-05-2021, 02:17 AM   #18
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

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More range cbets OTF + wider range for your opponents.

MMA Sherdog told me this and he's up like 450k this year already so I'm gonna go with it.
Oh, wow. That makes sense - interesting.

Appreciate the response.
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Old 04-05-2021, 08:00 AM   #19
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Re: Does anyone fold this vs Donk River Jam?

I still disagree with MMA about the smaller sizing specifically in high rake environments and soft pools.

25z on ignition is like 11bb/100 rake or something absurd if you aren't a complete nit.
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