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View Poll Results: Do you cbet this flop?
Yes cbet 5 27.78%
No check 13 72.22%
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:58 PM   #1
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Club Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
BTN ($8.04) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($5.9) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BB ($5.00) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($4.95) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 20.8% | AGG: 33.2% | 3-Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 110260]
HJ ($6.5) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($4.92) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: Q K

HERO Raises To $0.12, HJ Folds, CO Calls $0.12, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.07

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.84 effective]
Flop ($0.38): 4 A 6
BB Checks, HERO ?
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:27 PM   #2
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

Check. Not betting into two people with one person left to act with air here, especially with Ax is a big part of their range.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:37 PM   #3
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

Not c-betting with much besides Ax hands and clubs multi-way
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:45 PM   #4
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

Definitely c bet. About 1/3 pot bet is golden here. Checking just gives up control in spot where we have very profitable bluff.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:45 PM   #5
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

We have nothing, against two opponents. We're crushed . Even against a basic CO call range, and BB vs CO call range we have 21% equity vs 48% (CO range) and 31% (BB range (since the CO call gives him better pot odds to justify wider range)) and that's the equity assuming looser ranges. If we tighten the ranges we're screwed.

Having said that I do like to make this move from time to time, tho i should know better.
According to Snowie making a 1/4 pot bet and checking have the same long term EV outcome.
I never knew it was a winning move. Though i doubt this would be profitable longterm at micros.




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Old 03-20-2019, 02:54 PM   #6
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

Besides clubs and straight draws, this is probably the best "nothing" we can have. We'll have the best hand pretty often if it x's through and turn is a Q or K If we really wanna c-bet trash OOP multi-way (I don't) we can find better hands like JT
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:56 PM   #7
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

Multi-way it's a check
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Old 03-20-2019, 03:00 PM   #8
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

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Definitely c bet. About 1/3 pot bet is golden here. Checking just gives up control in spot where we have very profitable bluff.
I used to think like this, I've found the error in my ways though. I agree with the others about not cbetting here.
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Old 03-20-2019, 03:12 PM   #9
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

easy check
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Old 03-20-2019, 03:23 PM   #10
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

If we're worried about balance then c-betting is okay from time to time. In the micros where most people aren't tracking you with a HUD or putting notes on you, it's probably just better to check because stations gonna station.

If CO isn't in this hand, I'm c-betting most of the time though. I know at that point he probably has an A and I can just shut down.
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Old 03-20-2019, 04:42 PM   #11
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

I think this hand works really well as a delayed c-bet on many turns. On Ignition CO has a lot of small PP and AXs hands that aren't going anywhere. CO will probably bet AXs hands OTF, so we're up against a very weak range OTT and this becomes a great bluff candidate
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Old 03-20-2019, 05:04 PM   #12
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

+1 easy check
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:18 PM   #13
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

Check is the resonable std play, the alternative is to 3 barrels on bricks/clubs maybe? with AK/AQ/flush? blockers vs players willing to fold TP at some point. Probably just a bad strategy for NL5, but makes some sens in theory.
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:31 PM   #14
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

I side with Lazarus on the 1/3 bet especially since we have good backdoor flush and straight draws, this is actually one of my best bluffing combos in this spot. However, this is only the case if I do the 1/3 bet often and with my value hands as well, so that the table sees this sometimes and gives me the fold equity I need to make 1/3 profitable. In this spot, will I get a double fold more than 25% of the time? I think so.

Since hero shows some slightly Lag stats I think this is a good strategy for hero, 1/3 flop betting, as you can do this more often. If hero was more Tag-ish I might suggest for a more conservative strategy where you check this flop, since you are not entering pots as often you want to limit your losses.
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Old 03-20-2019, 11:13 PM   #15
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

If you do c-bet, you gotta close your eyes and barrel off because omg blockers to AQ/AK!!!! For that reason I prefer to check.
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:30 AM   #16
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

I think having a heart and a club makes it closer than people think. I'd probably rng it and go around 30%.
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:55 PM   #17
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Old 03-21-2019, 02:56 PM   #18
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

Multiway at 5 nl this gotta be a check. Heads up i can get behind a cbet.
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:23 PM   #19
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

Why are your opponents stats at 1 hand. We need more hands. If they're range is super wide then no reason not to cbet, if they are narrower check. Not really understanding how we're jumping to conclusions here without proper stats.
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:25 PM   #20
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

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Why are your opponents stats at 1 hand. We need more hands. If they're range is super wide then no reason not to cbet, if they are narrower check. Not really understanding how we're jumping to conclusions here without proper stats.
Read the title.
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:27 PM   #21
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

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Read the title.
Right on definitely check then
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Old 03-22-2019, 04:36 AM   #22
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

I'm checking multiway. If CO doesn't call pre, then I'm c-betting against the BB.
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Old 03-22-2019, 04:41 AM   #23
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Re: Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless

I don't mind betting with a club
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