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Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless
View Poll Results: Do you cbet this flop?
Yes cbet
5 27.78%
No check
13 72.22%

03-20-2019 , 01:58 PM
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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
BTN ($8.04) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($5.9) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BB ($5.00) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($4.95) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 20.8% | AGG: 33.2% | 3-Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 110260]
HJ ($6.5) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($4.92) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: Q K

HERO Raises To $0.12, HJ Folds, CO Calls $0.12, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.07

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.84 effective]
Flop ($0.38): 4 A 6
BB Checks, HERO ?
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 02:27 PM
Check. Not betting into two people with one person left to act with air here, especially with Ax is a big part of their range.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 02:37 PM
Not c-betting with much besides Ax hands and clubs multi-way
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 02:45 PM
Definitely c bet. About 1/3 pot bet is golden here. Checking just gives up control in spot where we have very profitable bluff.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 02:45 PM
We have nothing, against two opponents. We're crushed . Even against a basic CO call range, and BB vs CO call range we have 21% equity vs 48% (CO range) and 31% (BB range (since the CO call gives him better pot odds to justify wider range)) and that's the equity assuming looser ranges. If we tighten the ranges we're screwed.

Having said that I do like to make this move from time to time, tho i should know better.
According to Snowie making a 1/4 pot bet and checking have the same long term EV outcome.
I never knew it was a winning move. Though i doubt this would be profitable longterm at micros.




Last edited by Lyamani; 03-20-2019 at 02:55 PM.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 02:54 PM
Besides clubs and straight draws, this is probably the best "nothing" we can have. We'll have the best hand pretty often if it x's through and turn is a Q or K If we really wanna c-bet trash OOP multi-way (I don't) we can find better hands like JT
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 02:56 PM
Multi-way it's a check
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazarus Ledd
Definitely c bet. About 1/3 pot bet is golden here. Checking just gives up control in spot where we have very profitable bluff.
I used to think like this, I've found the error in my ways though. I agree with the others about not cbetting here.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 03:12 PM
easy check
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 03:23 PM
If we're worried about balance then c-betting is okay from time to time. In the micros where most people aren't tracking you with a HUD or putting notes on you, it's probably just better to check because stations gonna station.

If CO isn't in this hand, I'm c-betting most of the time though. I know at that point he probably has an A and I can just shut down.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 04:42 PM
I think this hand works really well as a delayed c-bet on many turns. On Ignition CO has a lot of small PP and AXs hands that aren't going anywhere. CO will probably bet AXs hands OTF, so we're up against a very weak range OTT and this becomes a great bluff candidate
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 05:04 PM
+1 easy check
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 10:18 PM
Check is the resonable std play, the alternative is to 3 barrels on bricks/clubs maybe? with AK/AQ/flush? blockers vs players willing to fold TP at some point. Probably just a bad strategy for NL5, but makes some sens in theory.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 10:31 PM
I side with Lazarus on the 1/3 bet especially since we have good backdoor flush and straight draws, this is actually one of my best bluffing combos in this spot. However, this is only the case if I do the 1/3 bet often and with my value hands as well, so that the table sees this sometimes and gives me the fold equity I need to make 1/3 profitable. In this spot, will I get a double fold more than 25% of the time? I think so.

Since hero shows some slightly Lag stats I think this is a good strategy for hero, 1/3 flop betting, as you can do this more often. If hero was more Tag-ish I might suggest for a more conservative strategy where you check this flop, since you are not entering pots as often you want to limit your losses.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-20-2019 , 11:13 PM
If you do c-bet, you gotta close your eyes and barrel off because omg blockers to AQ/AK!!!! For that reason I prefer to check.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-21-2019 , 12:30 AM
I think having a heart and a club makes it closer than people think. I'd probably rng it and go around 30%.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-21-2019 , 01:55 PM
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-21-2019 , 02:56 PM
Multiway at 5 nl this gotta be a check. Heads up i can get behind a cbet.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-21-2019 , 03:23 PM
Why are your opponents stats at 1 hand. We need more hands. If they're range is super wide then no reason not to cbet, if they are narrower check. Not really understanding how we're jumping to conclusions here without proper stats.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-21-2019 , 03:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyb23
Why are your opponents stats at 1 hand. We need more hands. If they're range is super wide then no reason not to cbet, if they are narrower check. Not really understanding how we're jumping to conclusions here without proper stats.
Read the title.
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-21-2019 , 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Read the title.
Right on definitely check then
Do you cbet this flop? 3 way Anonymous/Hudless Quote
03-22-2019 , 04:36 AM
I'm checking multiway. If CO doesn't call pre, then I'm c-betting against the BB.
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03-22-2019 , 04:41 AM
I don't mind betting with a club
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