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06-19-2021 , 01:50 PM
We have to bluff something here and I guess this is a good candidate? We block his 77 he might play this way. Also we play Jx mostly this way so we rep it well. R I was thinking do we have better bluffs here but hands like AQ are not good cuz we block his overpairs we are trying to make fold. Im not sure tough do we actually want to call this? His hand just felt a lot like 99-TT and QQ+ that might find fold button. In theory I'm quite sure he is supposed to fold bunch of overpairs to our jam. Just villain dependant whether he is overcalling or overfolding. Flop was rainbow so I was thinking people might actually overfold here. Jx he is betting T almost always (at least that's what I think) so I kind of excluded Jx from his range.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 129.9 BB
SB: 166.6 BB
BB: 100 BB
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 110.5 BB
CO: 263.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 6

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, CO raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) J 7 J
Hero checks, CO bets 6.1 BB, Hero calls 6.1 BB

Turn: (31.7 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (31.7 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, CO bets 22.7 BB, Hero raises to 84.9 BB and is all-in,
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06-19-2021 , 02:00 PM
more natural bluff would be 89s
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06-19-2021 , 02:16 PM
Okay run sim already. 7h6h is acutally folding OTF mostly. When I nodelock it to call 7h6h, it does this play 15% freq at river and mixes the rest 90% between calling and folding.

@ramius 89s likes to raise flop according to my sim. Villain is supposed to fold most of his QQ to my raise, but he called QQ. So taking this into account my bluff was -EV cuz V is overcalling here.
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06-19-2021 , 02:20 PM
Probably consider folding pre to villain's larger 3b sizing.

Also you say you play Jx this way, but you shouldn't have many combos since most of your Jx hands (other than JTs) should be 4b at a decent frequency. So I think you rep a pretty narrow value range.
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06-19-2021 , 02:23 PM
What hands are you targeting to fold to this bluff that fit V's play? TT, 99, 88, Ax?

I think your story is not super credible based on the turn check. However if V has Ax you probably get this through.

I dont think AA, KK, QQ are folding to this jam. These are all squarely in range based on 3! sizing.
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06-19-2021 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dgkula
What hands are you targeting to fold to this bluff that fit V's play? TT, 99, 88, Ax?

I think your story is not super credible based on the turn check. However if V has Ax you probably get this through.

I dont think AA, KK, QQ are folding to this jam. These are all squarely in range based on 3! sizing.
Targeting 88-TT, QQ+. He actually is supposed to fold most of QQ here (ran sim).

What you mean based on turn check? Im not leading anything on that turn so I check range. I guess you mean based on R check?
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06-19-2021 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
Probably consider folding pre to villain's larger 3b sizing.

Also you say you play Jx this way, but you shouldn't have many combos since most of your Jx hands (other than JTs) should be 4b at a decent frequency. So I think you rep a pretty narrow value range.
I have all KJs, AJs, QJs, JTs, JJ. AJo I mix 4b/fold.
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06-19-2021 , 02:47 PM
fold pre.
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06-19-2021 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SarasotaC
fold pre.
this, oop this is not close, AP, villain was expecting hand like 89, t9 and ax floats more often than boats
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06-19-2021 , 03:50 PM
exploitatively, villain probably wont bet TT-88 for this sizing OTR

but yeah I think I like this as long as you actually have value for this line so that your range is somewhat balanced

Also, pre is way too loose

edit: actually, tbh whether a bluff like this is good or not will depend so much how you play your range OTR and the range you arrive at the river with, so it's pretty hard to say in a vacuum whether this is any good or not

Last edited by GTOJacob; 06-19-2021 at 03:56 PM.
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06-19-2021 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GTOJacob
exploitatively, villain probably wont bet TT-88 for this sizing OTR

but yeah I think I like this as long as you actually have value for this line so that your range is somewhat balanced

Also, pre is way too loose

edit: actually, tbh whether a bluff like this is good or not will depend so much how you play your range OTR and the range you arrive at the river with, so it's pretty hard to say in a vacuum whether this is any good or not
Well, as I said I as played I have most of my Jx in my range. So I need some bluffs too. Just not sure if this is best one. Villain called with QQ which he should fold 80% of the time according to solver. V is overcalling and probably population too. Actially best line here might be to only jam for value.
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06-19-2021 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rared
Well, as I said I as played I have most of my Jx in my range. So I need some bluffs too. Just not sure if this is best one. Villain called with QQ which he should fold 80% of the time according to solver. V is overcalling and probably population too. Actially best line here might be to only jam for value.

I imagine solver is bluffing this river more frequently with some weaker suited broadways/connectors that block Jx and under-pairs (could be wrong tho)

Also, by playing all Jx in this fashion, you can’t rep anything if you wanna raise the flop with something like QT BDFD

Finally, ye you can never bluff this spot if you want but at micros some players are gonna way over fold these spots, some are gonna way over call so I’d just try and play somewhat balanced and print money against both

Fairly interesting spot tho, gonna study it when I have time tomorrow


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06-20-2021 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rared
Targeting 88-TT, QQ+. He actually is supposed to fold most of QQ here (ran sim).

What you mean based on turn check? Im not leading anything on that turn so I check range. I guess you mean based on R check?
Yes sorry meant river X. Turn X makes sense given V has initiative but I think if you were strong you would be more likely to lead river after his turn X than to hope for a X/R on river vs the risk that V X behind with hands that we beat with Jx like TT. I don’t think Jx slow plays river when V gives up initiative on turn here owing to the risk it goes X/X and Jx loses value. So I think the jam story doesn’t make sense IMHO. I’m probably sigh calling the jam with 88+
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06-20-2021 , 01:20 PM
Facing a 9bb 3bet, I'd be tempted to fold pre, but I'd call Vs an 8bb 3bet.

For the river, I think you'd be leading with most of your trips and boats, so I think you can be very selective with your bluffs. I think I'd prefer to see a hand like KdQd or QdTd as a bluff, blocking some potential Jx suited and overpairs, and unblocking some bluffs (as villain would be more likely to bet turn with diamond hands, but check back those without).
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