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01-19-2018 , 12:29 AM

mantracker

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 24

Biggest question for this hand is, should I have folded on turn or river?
I'm fairly certain that this guy is a fish, from observing about 50 hands on him.

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37929144

Hero (SB): $1.02 (51 bb)
BB: $1.93 (96.5 bb)
UTG+1: $2 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $2.10 (105 bb)
MP1: $1.15 (57.5 bb)
MP2: $1.30 (65 bb)
MP3: $2 (100 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $4.11 (205.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8

7 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.12) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.28) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

River: ($0.64) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.62, Hero raises to $0.70 and is all-in, BB calls $0.08

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01-19-2018 , 01:04 AM

Renekton

adept

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 853

Buy in for 100bb
If you're gonna cbet, cbet smaller. I prefer check/call flop.

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01-19-2018 , 01:09 AM

mantracker

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 24

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Originally Posted by Renekton

Buy in for 100bb
If you're gonna cbet, cbet smaller. I prefer check/call flop.

Would you really check flop here though? I would think this is a place for value bet, since I have pair 8s against a 942

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01-19-2018 , 01:16 AM

2blackaces

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 212

I think betting the flop is good. Not much going on with this board and we want protection, but I would bet 1/2 pot.

Turn card sucks, I think I check and call some smaller bets. River is a fold if we even get there.

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01-19-2018 , 01:20 AM

Renekton

adept

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 853

You can thin value bet / fold out equity from some overcards but don't get carried away on the other streets. Idk what kind of fish he is so betting might be profitable than checking so you gotta use your best judgement. I didn't mention river in my previous post but I think it's pretty bad without strong reads. Could you explain your thought process?

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01-19-2018 , 01:32 AM

mantracker

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 24

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Originally Posted by Renekton

I don't completely remember any more but I believe he was about 56/14 or something over 50 hands.

Eitherway though, as you mentioned betting on turn and river is at best for thin value at this point. As a beginner I should probably concentrate more on fat value, I should probably fold this turn and river then, definitely got carried away.

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01-19-2018 , 01:53 AM

DonkFace77

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 35

No way you check that flop and I like the size of the cbet on that board. I think if you fire again on the turn he folds.

Those two calls were dangerous and I think more often than not you're beat there. You got away with one.

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01-19-2018 , 01:55 AM

Renekton

adept

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 853

Are you advocating double barreling MP? I know it's a fish but I think that's too optimistic without stronger reads.

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01-19-2018 , 02:21 AM

DonkFace77

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 35

Id personally rather see a double barrel there than a cbet followed by a check on that board.

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01-19-2018 , 05:49 PM

#10

JamesBJames

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,791

Flop's kind of whatever to me. I would check this specific hand but probably bet something like 55 no club.

c/f river. Feels like we're low in our range considering we're going to be double-barreling most draws OTT, so it's not like we have to c/c anything that has a modicum of SDV.

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01-19-2018 , 07:59 PM

#11

Ojune

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 5,171

I'm calling river against a non passive fish, contrary to popular belief they bluff quite a bit with so many crap in their range. Raising river is pretty bad though, you don't have 50%+ equity.

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01-19-2018 , 09:21 PM

#12

WorldzMine

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,604

This hand's played fine versus non-nit, non-passive players BvB. The people whining about the river raise aren't noticing stack sizes; being that if the villain makes a large bet he should have made it all-in himself.

Please note that when I say it was ''played fine'' I only mean as a bluff catch versus a polarized river shove, essentially, *if* you are willing to embrace the variance. If not, just fold and look for better spots to get it in vs him.

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01-19-2018 , 09:33 PM

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Ojune

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Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 5,171

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

The people whining about the river raise aren't noticing stack sizes; being that if the villain makes a large bet he should have made it all-in himself

What makes you think I didn't notice? So because villain made a mistake then hero should make one for good measure? That's not how you make money.

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01-20-2018 , 03:54 AM

#14

nonsimplesimon

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 10,011

Would barrel turn. As played fold river.

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01-20-2018 , 04:12 PM

#15

WorldzMine

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,604

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Originally Posted by Ojune

What makes you think I didn't notice? So because villain made a mistake then hero should make one for good measure? That's not how you make money.

The point is it's not really a mistake because it's negligible.

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01-20-2018 , 04:22 PM

#16

Ojune

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 5,171

great logic

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01-20-2018 , 04:27 PM

#17

BagOfChips

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 71

if you calling the turn your calling the river. Why all of a sudden fold here? Three 9's, pair of queens, or simply just a pair of 9's on the turn we beat regardless. If you go to the river then fold that exploitable. None of this call and re evaluate BS. Make a game plan before putting money into the pot. Dont tell me you called river to try and spike a set on the river.

bet flop; x\c turn; x/c river
or check/fold the turn

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01-20-2018 , 04:33 PM

#18

Curtlow

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,383

Flop I c/c

As played on the river, the question is how many better hands do you have to call with. Qx that cbet the flop barrels as does all better hands. So the only better hands you can have than 88 is 9x, TT, JJ. If you have enough 9x hands in your range then you might be able to fold 88. If you don't have that many, then 88 might be a call.

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