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08-19-2018 , 12:56 PM
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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HJ ($13.12) [VPIP: 24.6% | PFR: 17.6% | AGG: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 7.1% | Hands: 384]
CO ($26.34) [VPIP: 30.9% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 44.2% | 3-Bet: 22% | Hands: 275]
BTN ($8.02) [VPIP: 28.5% | PFR: 19.9% | AGG: 38.6% | 3-Bet: 9.3% | Hands: 311]
SB ($16.05) [VPIP: 20.6% | PFR: 16.3% | AGG: 35.6% | 3-Bet: 9.8% | Hands: 726]
HERO ($17.91) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 29.8% | 3-Bet: 10.1% | Hands: 22382]

Dealt to Hero: K K

HJ Raises To $0.28, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $1.28, HJ Raises To $2.60, HERO Calls $1.32

Hero SPR on Flop: [2 effective]
Flop ($5.25): T 5 J
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $1.90 (Rem. Stack: 8.62), HERO Calls $1.90 (Rem. Stack: 13.41)

Turn ($9.05): T 5 J 9
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $4.80 (Rem. Stack: 3.82), HERO ?
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08-19-2018 , 01:22 PM
Just gii pre. Big mistake not to imo.

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08-19-2018 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rikk
Just gii pre. Big mistake not to imo.

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What about QQ/AK/AKs?
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08-19-2018 , 01:40 PM
Don't get cute at nl10. 4! To 6$. Bomb flop.
As played gii on the turn.
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08-19-2018 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NutJob72
Don't get cute at nl10. 4! To 6$. Bomb flop.
This guy had a zero 4bet % before this hand over 384 hands
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08-19-2018 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
What about QQ/AK/AKs?
Depends on strat for those. I flat QQ against this guy and most others, AK and AKs are kinda tricky though. Probably flat both and proceed with caution. That might be bad.

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08-19-2018 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by NutJob72
Don't get cute at nl10. 4! To 6$. Bomb flop.
As played gii on the turn.
What hands do you think this guy is betting with?
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08-19-2018 , 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rikk
Depends on strat for those. I flat QQ against this guy and most others, AK and AKs are kinda tricky though. Probably flat both and proceed with caution. That might be bad.

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Doesnt that leave your 4bet flatting range weak? Also i'd rather keep bluffs in by flatting AA/KK.

I notice bluff frequencies go up too when the pot is huge preflop and people tend to play worse in 4bet pots because they are unfamiliar with ranges
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08-19-2018 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
This guy had a zero 4bet % before this hand over 384 hands
shouldn't indicate too much. nobody 4bets at 10NL.

this is a typical spot where hud stats falsely dominate good theory. guessing you'd normally play KK a bit differently, but drastically changed the line because of stats. if the original strat was good, it's unlikely this is a good method for adjusting...i have a ton of experience looking at my HUD, and making play based on that (for a long time I thought this was the best I could do. ended up costing me a lot, but it was 10 years ago and the games were easy)

i think as played OTT it's a jam over the bet. but it's going to be marginally profitable if that. QQ/AQss and some AJ are best bets...maybe some AQo.

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Depends on strat for those. I flat QQ against this guy and most others, AK and AKs are kinda tricky though. Probably flat both and proceed with caution. That might be bad.

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Doesnt that leave your 4bet flatting range weak? Also i'd rather keep bluffs in by flatting AA/KK.

I notice bluff frequencies go up too when the pot is huge preflop and people tend to play worse in 4bet pots because they are unfamiliar with ranges
there's value taking it down. That's 27 big blinds rake free.

if villain 4bets suited junk, he'll flop a flush draw only 1 in 8 times. but when he does, he may get all the chips in for 100bb, and with AA you're a little better than 60%... [0.6*200bb - 0.4*200bb = 40bb...less rake = 30bb(!)

Last edited by Tuma; 08-19-2018 at 02:16 PM.
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08-19-2018 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
shouldn't indicate too much. nobody 4bets at 10NL.

this is a typical spot where hud stats falsely dominate good theory. guessing you'd normally play KK a bit differently, but drastically changed the line because of stats. if the original strat was good, it's unlikely this is a good method for adjusting.

i think as played OTT it's a jam over the bet. villain has QQ/AQss and we block the nuts. not loving the spot at all but it should still be profitable given it's the top of your range.
I play on ACR and a lot of people 4bet. I know conventional wisdom is to just jam KK preflop but I'm not sure it's always the best play.

You just said nobody 4bets at 10NL then you put AQs in his 4betting range?

Also wouldn't be surprised if QQ checks back some of the time.
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08-19-2018 , 02:19 PM
AQ is hopeful and it's based on hero having KKx

what kind of stuff are people 4-betting in ACR microstakes?

Last edited by Tuma; 08-19-2018 at 02:27 PM.
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08-19-2018 , 02:45 PM
That flop is wet enough to check shove if we arent getting it in pre.
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08-19-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
AQ is hopeful and it's based on hero having KKx

what kind of stuff are people 4-betting in ACR microstakes?
Sorry that's wrong I meant to say a lot of people are calling 4bets light. Not 4betting light themselves.

I think most people's default 4betting range is AA,KK,AKs. And to a lesser extent AKo.

I'm not folding because I think a call is probably still profitable given the money in the pot but I think we are behind his betting range on the turn.
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08-19-2018 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
What hands do you think this guy is betting with?
Depends iv had villians 4! Me with 89s 66 77 A8s. Who knows for sure its nl10. TT+AQs AK. Really should of just gii preflop.
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08-19-2018 , 09:12 PM
I don't think it's good to fold KK preflop in 6max for @130bb.
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08-19-2018 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
This guy had a zero 4bet % before this hand over 384 hands
Sample size issues.
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