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04-29-2021 , 05:14 PM

DooDooPoker

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NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
BTN ($7.30)
SB ($8.66)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5)
HJ ($7.77)
HERO ($5.16)

Dealt to Hero: J

UTG Checks, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.20, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.60, BB Folds, UTG Folds, HERO Calls $0.40

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.51 effective]
Flop ($1.30): 4

SB Bets $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $7.76), HERO Calls $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $4.26)

Turn ($1.90): 4

SB Bets $0.70 (Rem. Stack: $7.06), HERO Calls $0.70 (Rem. Stack: $3.56)

River ($3.30): 4

SB Bets $7.06 (allin), HERO ?

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04-29-2021 , 05:28 PM

poskid

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Flop...ok

Turn... Why not raise? Especially with the second flush draw and paired board?

River...I think we have to fold and I hate it.

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04-29-2021 , 05:29 PM

ionutd

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4b more vs the dumbass size
who knows what's going on otr, I'm inclined to call down with any pair just cause it looks dumb

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04-29-2021 , 05:32 PM

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I 4-bet pre. I'm fine with post-flop.

River is gross. Seems to be either a boat or complete air. Seems like we should have nut advantage here, we have 22,44 and 109, we both have 1010.

I don't feel like V would be doing this with something like A10cc.

I have noticed as of late the 5nl zone is not as passive as it once was a couple years ago.

I think I lay this one down, but it's very, very close.

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04-29-2021 , 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ionutd

4b more vs the dumbass size
who knows what's going on otr, I'm inclined to call down with any pair just cause it looks dumb

4bet/call it off?

What's your 4bet sizing here

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04-29-2021 , 05:46 PM

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ye calling it off willing to gambol a little with these guys
I like making it bigger, fish don't care much if they're willing to see flops, like they're happy peeling, seeing a non A/K high flop with 77 and stacking off

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04-29-2021 , 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ionutd

Yeah I figured JJ was the border line hand. TT you are probably just calling PF right.

Maybe I am 3betting too small in general.

What is a standard 3bet size vs 4x - like 15bb?

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04-29-2021 , 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by poskid

Flop...ok

Turn... Why not raise? Especially with the second flush draw and paired board?

River...I think we have to fold and I hate it.

Okay what about Villain's bluffs?

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04-29-2021 , 05:51 PM

YanasaurBBQ

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I'm calling. You see enough random air here. You didn't raise so its easy for villain to put you on draws and weak 1 pair hands and decide to go for it on the river. Ive seen small weird 3bets be random face cards and small PP just as much or more than KK and AA

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04-29-2021 , 06:17 PM

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poskid

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Okay what about Villain's bluffs?

What do you assume villain's range to be?

You've allowed him to small 3!, small bet, small bet and now we're faced with a jam needing 41% to call

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04-29-2021 , 07:39 PM

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superpoker666

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calling with Js seems fine.

Why are you playing 5nl?

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04-30-2021 , 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Yeah I figured JJ was the border line hand. TT you are probably just calling PF right.

Maybe I am 3betting too small in general.

What is a standard 3bet size vs 4x - like 15bb?

JJ is high freq 4b/gii anyway in co vs sb
TT idk, normally if you look at EVs, calling is much higher ev but then again you're playing some guy who's prob completely clueless so intuitively I'd say it's a finer hand than at optimal to 4b/gii as well, but idk, speculation
doesn't much matter tho, rare spot, close decision mby, pick one option and free your mind

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04-30-2021 , 06:57 AM

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I reckon you have just about enough suited club hands, 9x, and better JJ that you can fold this. Not sure it is optimal, especially seen as you're probably raising some 9x and FD otf or Ott. It's pretty close either way, but having the Jd and not the JC isn't great here.

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04-30-2021 , 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by superpoker666

calling with Js seems fine.

Why are you playing 5nl?

Cashed out the roll for some crypto fliers.

Also I don't feel like giving my BTS coaches much money these days.

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05-01-2021 , 01:26 PM

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Results.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
BTN ($7.30)
SB ($8.66)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5)
HJ ($7.77)
HERO ($5.16)

Dealt to Hero: J

UTG Checks, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.20, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.60, BB Folds, UTG Folds, HERO Calls $0.40

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.51 effective]
Flop ($1.30): 4

SB Bets $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $7.76), HERO Calls $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $4.26)

Turn ($1.90): 4

SB Bets $0.70 (Rem. Stack: $7.06), HERO Calls $0.70 (Rem. Stack: $3.56)

River ($3.30): 4

SB Bets $7.06 (allin), HERO Calls $3.56 (allin)

Spoiler:

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05-01-2021 , 01:44 PM

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YanasaurBBQ

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Nice

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05-01-2021 , 02:10 PM

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poskid

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Okay what about Villain's bluffs?

I didn't realize that we only had $3.56 to call off. Yeah it's a call then. Sorry...

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05-01-2021 , 02:33 PM

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21Outer

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

UTG Checks, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.20, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.60, BB Folds, UTG Folds, HERO Calls $0.40

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.51 effective]
Flop ($1.30): 4

SB Bets $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $7.76), HERO Calls $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $4.26)

Turn ($1.90): 4

SB Bets $0.70 (Rem. Stack: $7.06), HERO Calls $0.70 (Rem. Stack: $3.56)

River ($3.30): 4

SB Bets $7.06 (allin), HERO Calls $3.56 (allin)

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NC. I'd be interested to hear your observations of 5nl zone pool vs zone 25nl pool. I'm planning on moving up in a couple months.

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05-03-2021 , 01:00 AM

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yasuo

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people tend to bet bigger otf with overpairs. i would call down as well

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05-03-2021 , 03:43 AM

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Ramius

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awfull bluff by villain

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05-03-2021 , 04:44 AM

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kagokogo91

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Originally Posted by ionutd

4b more vs the dumbass size
who knows what's going on otr, I'm inclined to call down with any pair just cause it looks dumb

If the 3x 3bet is small, then what’s an appropriate 3bet size?

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05-03-2021 , 05:23 AM

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ionutd

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~10bb

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