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Old 10-16-2018, 04:21 PM   #1
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This is a correct fold... no?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 12)
CO: 40.5 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 35.12, PFR: 26.88, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 380)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 211.5 BB (VPIP: 67.50, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 41)
UTG: 336 BB (VPIP: 44.19, PFR: 6.98, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 43)
UTG+1: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 8.11, Hands: 92)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 6 5 7
Hero checks, BB bets 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (24 BB, 3 players) A
Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB, BTN raises to 27 BB, fold, fold
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Old 10-16-2018, 05:18 PM   #2
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Re: This is a correct fold... no?

You're in the SB with A8o vs a 3x by BTN?

The hand history should just end with "Hero folds pre".

Seriously, it's just horrible to call there.
Your tiny turn lead is fishy as well.
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:53 PM   #3
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Re: This is a correct fold... no?

It's not standard I know but he has a 26 PFR surely an Ax can be presumed to be ahead a lot of the time? I'm targeting him because he's playing too loose (granted I may not be good at it). I agree the turn bet is awful... Lets him just bluff me off. If I thought the Ace would be good I should play harder when I hit it or not play it.

Just as an exercise in pot odds though on turn I have 11 outs giving me like 13% to hit trip aces or a straight which is 7(ish):1 (not sure if thats right) and getting 2.5:1 (ish) direct odds but with implied odds of stacking it off if I hit is like 4:1 with his effective stack. It's still a fold... right? Just trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together here that I'm getting from peeps.

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Is it, you played an Ace because you thought that put you ahead, and you hit it. So you should presume your still ahead if thats the plan, calling with the straight draw just in case...
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:10 PM   #4
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Re: This is a correct fold... no?

The point is not really whether you can figure to be ahead of button opening range but that if you cold call here in the SB you are out of position, without the initiative, with a marginal unsuited A with little chance to flop something besides a weak pair or a weak TP. You're also have BB left to act who might raise and then you're out. All this puts the button in a much better position than you.

Don't just think about whether your hand is probably better than his range, think about whether your action is profitable. If you call here, how often are you going to win money from button and how often is he going to win money from you? Think about situations, not just cards.

3-bet pre takes the initiative and lessens positional advantage, so that's better than calling. Folding also fine, folding or raising might be the best depending on villain and you. f>r>c imo here.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:25 PM   #5
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Re: This is a correct fold... no?

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The point is not really whether you can figure to be ahead of button opening range but that if you cold call here in the SB you are out of position, without the initiative, with a marginal unsuited A with little chance to flop something besides a weak pair or a weak TP. You're also have BB left to act who might raise and then you're out. All this puts the button in a much better position than you.

Don't just think about whether your hand is probably better than his range, think about whether your action is profitable. If you call here, how often are you going to win money from button and how often is he going to win money from you? Think about situations, not just cards.

3-bet pre takes the initiative and lessens positional advantage, so that's better than calling. Folding also fine, folding or raising might be the best depending on villain and you. f>r>c imo here.
That makes sense, I find myself a lot out of position wishing I had 3 Bet so I could C-Bet bluff... but I suppose that is a delicate balance.

I see why I shouldn't do this. Thank you.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:32 PM   #6
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Yeah just play super tight from the blinds starting out, then you can slowly add more hands to your defending / 3-bet range as you get better at judging when it's profitable.
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