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Confused how to play as CC PF when a 3bet comes in. Confused how to play as CC PF when a 3bet comes in.

06-18-2018 , 12:40 PM
Hope you guys can give your opinion on how to handle spots like the scenerio I describe below.

Say we are in the BU and we cold call say with hands like pocket pairs, or some suited connectors or suited aces, and a 3 bet comes in from one of the blinds, and the pre-flop raiser calls. Do you generally think it’s a good idea to call here as well making this a MW pot?

Also what if the pre-flop raiser then 4-bets? Clear get out of the way situation with these type of holdings?

This is just an example of course but I always find these spots very tricky to navigate. Would love some feedback!

Thanks
Lou
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06-18-2018 , 01:19 PM
Facing a 4bet you shouldn’t be continuing anything. Against a blind squeeze and a call you should only really be defending the upper part of your calling range
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06-19-2018 , 07:49 AM
All of the hands you mention (pocket pairs, suited connectors, suited aces) actually play very well in multi-way pots. They occasionally make very strong hands that can win big pots, and they're pretty easy to let go when we miss. Whether calling is a good idea of course depends on a number of factors.
  • What are our pot odds? The more money there is in the pot relative to the amount that we have to call, the better. Multiple callers give us better odds to call. Also the smaller the 3-bet, the better our odds.
  • How much do we have left in our stack? The deeper the effective stack, the more we stand to win when we make our hand.
  • What's our position? Being out of position makes it more difficult to get value when we hit our hand, so we have less incentive to call when we'll be out of position postflop.
  • Who's left to act? If we're closing the action, we can guarantee seeing a flop by calling. If there are players left to act, calling is less attractive since we can still get raised out of the pot.
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06-20-2018 , 12:35 PM
Notice that this situation doesn't come up very often if we don't flat on the button very often.

I basically won't flat-call a single opener unless I have a positive read that the players in the blinds are unlikely to squeeze.
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06-20-2018 , 01:29 PM
Not having a flatting range on the button looks bad to me but I don't know maybe others can shed light on this .
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06-20-2018 , 01:37 PM
Against someone who raises medium to low at blinds, you should continue only 88+, JTs+, AJs+ (77, T9s, A10s are debatable) at UTG and then, at each later position, you should expand your range all the way up to 44+, 56s, all suited Ace at BTN.

If it's against a strong re-raiser preflop at blinds, you can add up way more hands.

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06-20-2018 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jam23o
Against someone who raises medium to low at blinds, you should continue only 88+, JTs+, AJs+ (77, T9s, A10s are debatable) at UTG and then, at each later position, you should expand your range all the way up to 44+, 56s, all suited Ace at BTN.

If it's against a strong re-raiser preflop at blinds, you can add up way more hands.

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I think you might have OPs question wrong this statement looks you are giving him ranges for RFI, which if that is your statement about opening more hands if there is a frequent reraiser in the blinds is false.
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06-21-2018 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Notice that this situation doesn't come up very often if we don't flat on the button very often.

I basically won't flat-call a single opener unless I have a positive read that the players in the blinds are unlikely to squeeze.
This make sense.

When you are in BTN vs OR from UTG, MP and have pocketpairs what do you do? What are you 3bet and which ones do you fold? And what is considered important to define its action?
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06-21-2018 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cantor1987
Not having a flatting range on the button looks bad to me but I don't know maybe others can shed light on this .
It's bad.
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06-21-2018 , 05:47 AM
The thing to remember is that the original opener will do a lot of defending against squeezes for you with the top of their range.

You should still be cautious about creating a load of good squeeze spots for villains, but you don't need to start desperately defending everything.
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